When the camera you buy becomes the deciding factor for your ethics rating

David Lyga · Jul 4, 2019

Dali said:
So what is the exact purpose of this thread? To share with us, mere mortals, your self-esteem and your "ethics"? To be blut: Who cares?

There was life before David Lyga. There will be life after David Lyga.

Believe me, I would have dropped this after my first post had it not been for so many questioning my actions (which I had considered trivial). It was not I who gathered all the momentum. I cannot see why anyone would be concerned with my ethics, but, over and over again, they are. Trivial pursuit in my opinion. Who am I?-

Obviously, Dali, you have an ongoing need to dispute the question of ethics. To me, this topic is rather personal in that there is no objective definition. I cannot see why my story has garnered so much angst. People like Vaughn treat it as rather pedestrian (as it really is) but some like Dali cling tenaciously to some sort of raw nerve that I seem to have exposed. I don't think that even Salvador Dali had as much angst in his character as Dali has (and that is saying something). Dali, it really is not a big deal, simply a transaction whereby I did not try to draw blood. Is that all that sensational?

(On legitimately wonders what the moderators are thinking?)

The ONLY reason I brought up 'ethics' at all was because a decision had to be made as to whether I would stick to my guns and gather every drop of blood that I was 'entitled' to or whether I would be a bit more ameliorative. It was no big deal and those who make it such are more deserving of scrutiny than I am. - David Lyga

BrianShaw · Jul 4, 2019

Hi David. I think what some might be thinking is that this was the kind of event that many might chat with a friend about over a cup of tea but not something that most folks would post on a photography forum. You did and that part of your soul was bared for public scrutiny. Public scrutiny can be both kind and harsh. Be happy.

MattKing · Jul 4, 2019

David Lyga said:
The ONLY reason I brought up 'ethics' at all was because a decision had to be made as to whether I would stick to my guns and gather every drop of blood that I was 'entitled' to or whether I would be a bit more ameliorative. It was no big deal and those who make it such are more deserving of scrutiny than I am.

I hope that it is clear David that my points in this discussion are entirely supportive of the choice you made - I just disagree that there was any issue of ethics involved. I think that the title to your thread is the problem, not the events that led to the thread in the first place.

Chan Tran · Jul 4, 2019

MattKing said:
I hope that it is clear David that my points in this discussion are entirely supportive of the choice you made - I just disagree that there was any issue of ethics involved. I think that the title to your thread is the problem, not the events that led to the thread in the first place.

I agree! There is no ethic issue whatever David did. He wanted to please the guy so he can have better deal with that store later and that's fine. If he wanted the full $125 is fine too there is nothing unethical about it either way.

faberryman · Jul 4, 2019

Be sure and keep us up to date with the retail price the camera store is charging for the camera you fixed for them.

Dali · Jul 4, 2019

David Lyga said:
The ONLY reason I brought up 'ethics' at all was because a decision had to be made as to whether I would stick to my guns and gather every drop of blood that I was 'entitled' to or whether I would be a bit more ameliorative. It was no big deal and those who make it such are more deserving of scrutiny than I am. - David Lyga

Again, what is the purpose of this thread? You did a choice, move on. Why to do you need to expose your life in a forum? What were you expecting? Posters to say "Yes, you did right" and posters to say "I would manage it differently"? Then what? Can you tell me if we should be concerned by what you did? Unless you consider yourself as a moral reference, I don't see the point to elaborate further.

No anger, just failure to understand the real motive behing this thread and where we, posters, fit into the picture. Nothing more.

BrianShaw · Jul 4, 2019

“No anger, just failure to understand ...”

... and an inability to just let it go. Be happy.

DonJ · Jul 4, 2019

Dali said:
Again, what is the purpose of this thread?

“Apparently, when I post, I become the engine for photrio.com.” - David Lyga

Dali · Jul 4, 2019

BrianShaw said:
“No anger, just failure to understand ...”

... and an inability to just let it go. Be happy.

In fact, I find these kind of egotic thread more pathetic than anything else. Nothing to prevent me to sleep.

Dali · Jul 4, 2019

DonJ said:
“Apparently, when I post, I become the engine for photrio.com.” - David Lyga

I am afraid you are right.

Vaughn · Jul 4, 2019

Dali said:
In fact, I find these kind of egotic thread more pathetic than anything else. Nothing to prevent me to sleep.

But to repeat myself in a way, isn't replying to such posts evidence of being at least equally egotistic?
Written in full knowledge that when one is pointing a finger, there are three are pointing back at oneself...

faberryman · Jul 4, 2019

Vaughn said:
But to repeat myself in a way, isn't replying to such posts evidence of being at least equally egotistic?
Written in full knowledge that when one is pointing a finger, there are three are pointing back at oneself...

David Lyga · Jul 4, 2019

BrianShaw said:
Hi David. I think what some might be thinking is that this was the kind of event that many might chat with a friend about over a cup of tea but not something that most folks would post on a photography forum. You did and that part of your soul was bared for public scrutiny. Public scrutiny can be both kind and harsh. Be happy.

My 'feelings' are necessarily subordinate here. The real value here is dissection of these thoughts and relating them to others' experiences. There is value there and I have no angst from all this. To me, yes, the out-pour is rather surprising, but better be surprised than keep things forcefully quiet. Everyone is entitled to speak as he or she wishes. - David Lyga

David Lyga · Jul 4, 2019

MattKing said:
I hope that it is clear David that my points in this discussion are entirely supportive of the choice you made - I just disagree that there was any issue of ethics involved. I think that the title to your thread is the problem, not the events that led to the thread in the first place.

Fair enough, Matt.

David Lyga · Jul 4, 2019

faberryman said:
Be sure and keep us up to date with the retail price the camera store is charging for the camera you fixed for them.

I would have no way to know that. Maybe the camera was spoken for and maybe he simply let it slip into the box.

faberryman · Jul 4, 2019

From the camera store in question's webpage:

"Your film camera or digital camera isn't performing to its usual standards, or is not functioning at all? Bring it to our store and our technicians will take a look at it. They're trained and experienced in repairing and refurbishing cameras and other photographic equipment of every make and model. If it can be fixed, these guys can do it!"

Ironic, no?

David Lyga · Jul 4, 2019

Dali said:
Again, what is the purpose of this thread? You did a choice, move on. Why to do you need to expose your life in a forum? What were you expecting? Posters to say "Yes, you did right" and posters to say "I would manage it differently"? Then what? Can you tell me if we should be concerned by what you did? Unless you consider yourself as a moral reference, I don't see the point to elaborate further.

No anger, just failure to understand the real motive behing this thread and where we, posters, fit into the picture. Nothing more.

Dali, my intentions were entirely innocent. I posted because I simply wanted to relate a situation involving camera trading; nothing more. Perhaps the quantity of feedback was what really drives your perception that I stated more than I was entitled to state. I did not expose my life but only a single situation which perhaps others could gain experience from. Was that being too forward? I think not. - David Lyga

jtk · Jul 11, 2019

What is the "ethics rating" that's referrer to in the OT ...and how does that relate to retail business?

This OT has to do with a disgruntled person's allegations that invoke dubious negative comparisons betweens members of someone else's family.

That's the obvious moral failure here.

removed account4 · Jul 11, 2019

FWIW the shoppe is selling the camera for $300.00 at the moment. Its too bad they couldn't pass on the good deal they got from the OP to the general public, and continue the "pay it forward" thing the OP started ... I guess in business profits are king.

BrianShaw · Jul 11, 2019

jnantz said:
FWIW the shoppe is selling the camera for $300.00 at the moment. Its too bad they couldn't pass on the good deal they got from the OP to the general public, and continue the "pay it forward" thing the OP started ... I guess in business profits are king.

R U Kidding?

jtk · Jul 11, 2019

jnantz said:
FWIW the shoppe is selling the camera for $300.00 at the moment. Its too bad they couldn't pass on the good deal they got from the OP to the general public, and continue the "pay it forward" thing the OP started ... I guess in business profits are king.

D'oh !

removed account4 · Jul 11, 2019

BrianShaw said:
R U Kidding?

Its a Yashica (124G ), maybe its not the same one, IDK ... and even though the buyer is a capitalist, it was an extremely nice gesture done by the OP. Its too bad the world isn't fueled by more random acts of kindness it would be a better place.

CMoore · Jul 12, 2019

If i sell you a brick for 10 dollars, and then you sell YOUR Brick for One Million dollars, and i complain.....you should tell me to F Off.
I 100% have no idea why you spent 1/2 second worrying about this 100% Non-Issue.
It seems bizarre to me.

David Lyga · Jul 12, 2019

jnantz said:
FWIW the shoppe is selling the camera for $300.00 at the moment. Its too bad they couldn't pass on the good deal they got from the OP to the general public, and continue the "pay it forward" thing the OP started ... I guess in business profits are king.

Well, at least that says something about the work I did on the camera! - David Lyga

BrianShaw · Jul 12, 2019

David Lyga said:
Well, at least that says something about the work I did on the camera! - David Lyga

... only if it sells. If it sits on the shelf go the next decade with a $300 price tag on it, it says something else.

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