I am so used to simply unscrewing elements and cleaning them that I considered the 'work' to be insignificant. Maybe erroneously, I have a hard time charging huge prices for trivial work. My frugality seems to apply to others' money as well. This is why I have never made much money, but I have saved prodigiously, so I am solvent. I guess I was raised to be somewhat subordinate in our collective family, but, honestly, I still think rather highly of myself if that matters. In sum, I am happy with my actions and that is what really matters. I don't cultivate a sense of entitlement that many in our society fall prey to. No, I am not manufacturing an ethical situation, it is just that I am so particular of scrutinizing my actions. I was brought up to be always this way. - David LygaJnantz ++
David, why on earth do you think your labor and skill are worth nothing? Not many people are able to bring an old camera back to life. He was willing to accept your retail price as his wholesale price! All of the tension of this transaction is likely only in your own imagination. Businessmen have no time for such drama over a few bucks, and they can't afford to invest so much emotion into a deal when they have to do many deals every day, day after day.
Exactly.You are trying to manufacture drama and an ethical dilemma where none exits. Much ado about nothing.
My thoughts exactly.You are trying to manufacture drama and an ethical dilemma where none exits. Much ado about nothing.
You are trying to manufacture drama and an ethical dilemma where none exits. Much ado about nothing.
I handily and definitively disagree with your assessment here. I make no apologies, sir. You are entitled to your thoughts, but please be reminded (even remanded) about such ethical weighing of such matters. - David Lyga+1.
It is a business story (buy - sell) and as such there is no place for ethics.
... EXAGGERATED ethics...+1.
It is a business story (buy - sell) and as such there is no place for ethics.
The guy is in business. He sold the camera to David because he thought it was junk. He wanted to buy the camera from David because he thought he could resell it for a profit.I wonder why the son wanted to buy the same model camera he just sold?
I handily and definitively disagree with your assessment here. I make no apologies, sir. You are entitled to your thoughts, but please be reminded (even remanded) about such ethical weighing of such matters. - David Lyga
Methinks you bent over backwards to do the "right thing". It was the store who did not. They showed a lack of professionalism. Are they in business to sell photography equipment/supplies or is it a hobby? That, of course, is none of your/my business. Like you, in the future, I would be more careful purchasing from them. When I worked in a camera store and we lost money on a deal, "shame on us, not our customer".......Regards!This is a story that has finally been consummated. I had bought a Yashica mat 124g at a 'tent sale' from Cardinal Camera in Lansdale, PA. At the time, the owner's son (who really is the 'owner', as his father suffers from extremely poor eyesight) was NOT present, but a worthy and trusted store clerk showed me the box to rummage through. I selected about 40 items of 'miscellaneous intent' and also a bunch of filters. I was told that this was stuff that they wanted to get rid of. When I was finished selecting, she told me that the used camera guy, Scott, would have to look at what I had picked and possibly remove some items that they might intend to sell for more. (They knew well in advance that I offer to pay very little.) I had no choice but to acquiesce and I did so gracefully (as all my interactions usually are). He removed ten items: I was left with about 30 items plus the filters. I offered $170 and this was accepted. I packed and left. One of the items was a Yashica mat 124g that had fungus in the internal components of the lens plus both the slow shutter speeds and self-timer lagged. When home, I dismantled the lens (I am used to doing this) and fully cleaned everything. I also flushed the shutter and self-timer mechanisms. I spent over one hour doing these things. As a result, the camera ended up in considerably better condition than when it had been purchased.
I put the camera up on CL for $125. I had a few who were interested, but no sale yet. Then, suddenly, I got an email from someone who stated he wanted to buy the camera for the $125. Amazingly and coincidentally, it was the owner's son at Cardinal, Tyler Seelig. Obviously, he did not know that it was 'his' camera he might be repurchasing. Feeling a bit of angst, even a tiny bit of guilt, I emailed him back and told him the entire story. I told him that I had purchased the camera, albeit at a bargain price, but in good faith. The conversation was at least somewhat amiable, but a bit tense. I offered to sell him back the camera for half price of what I was asking for, $65, if he picked it up in Center City, or for $75 if I delivered it to the store in Lansdale (by train). He finally conceded to my bringing it to Lansdale, but for only $65. I reluctantly agreed to this and this morning, Saturday, 30 June, I did just that, making the one hour train trip. The exchange was somewhat amiable, but still a bit tense.
There are those who would say that I offered too much and that a 'deal is a deal'. Others would say that the initial 'sale' was a 'theft' on my part. Of course, I am out looking for bargains: after all, Cardinal's 'tent sale' was purportedly just that. Regardless, does a proprietor not have an obligation to charge appropriately? Does a proprietor have any responsibilities when not present at his store? Not one word of apology came from Cardinal. But, not one word of opprobrium came from Cardinal either. The exchange was done and we are still on speaking terms, however, any future ventures into that store will have to be with Tyler present, because I am no longer going to be subject 'to afterthoughts' about previous sales. We learn through experiences and try to exercise of grace under fire. In a way, I DID take advantage, but did so with all present 'agents' watching me. I have bought much from Cardinal in the past. However, in the future: there are new protocols that have to be in place, first. - David Lyga
Some Cardinal ethics? Lets see.
They sold the item on agreed price. You have paid agreed price. You did camera CLA which is never less than 100$ job.
Then this SOB spotted this camera and wanted to buy it because it is worth much more than he sold it for. Because of your job, your hours.
Why do you have to lower the price for your CLA to 30 bucks? They downplayed you with zero respect and I'm sure now this camera is relisted by this SOB as 200 CLA'd camera.
Vaughn, your reply was the absolute best: a simple, transparent attempt to understand my mind and the dimensions that I embrace. When the blacks in NYC sit in the subway or in Philadelphia on the bus, and stretch their legs so no one can get a seat (called by the NYPD as 'manspread', but race is always left out because of political correctness mandates even though everyone knows who they are) I do not get upset that my 'rights' are violated. Such hogging, pure and simple, emanates from a lack of security and a desperation to assert their 'superiority' over others. People who do this are insecure, even though, outwardly they are passively aggressive. The real victors in those situations are those who bear and persevere, knowing that resolution of that specific topic will not be forthcoming in an immediate sense.Good job, David. You seem to be satisfied with the end results, you maintained a relationship with a company you appreciate, and you made some money as well.
Plus you generated some thoughts amongst us in this forum. A win-win situation.
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