Perhaps Kodak can do better than a 6 man operation?
When Kodak launch Ektachrome
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Perhaps Kodak can do better than a 6 man operation?
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maybe they are branding a mayonnaise Ektachrome,
and they are having difficulty adding just the right amount of vinegar
to change it from yellow to white? or maybe they are keeping it yellow because
you know kodak is yellow and yellow is kodak, and they are using focus groups
to see if people are grossed out by yellow mayonnaise enough not to buy it ...
mayo could definately be done with a 6person operation and they wouldn't have to
worry about back end processing, just enough food to serve it with...
and they could easily sell the clinic in minisota a bunch of emulsion rather than film ..
and they are having difficulty adding just the right amount of vinegar
to change it from yellow to white? or maybe they are keeping it yellow because
you know kodak is yellow and yellow is kodak, and they are using focus groups
to see if people are grossed out by yellow mayonnaise enough not to buy it ...
mayo could definately be done with a 6person operation and they wouldn't have to
worry about back end processing, just enough food to serve it with...
and they could easily sell the clinic in minisota a bunch of emulsion rather than film ..
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Well, perhaps they can. But, if new E6 emulsions are proving so difficult that Kodak cannot yet give a date when, or even if, we might expect to see Ektachrome, my hope for a 6-man operation being able to produce consistent high-quality E6 film isn't good. That's not a criticism of Kodak, Ferrania or anyone else, just trying to be realistic. I know that Ferrania meant well when they made the first promises of having chemicals and resources to produce a one-off batch of film for the backers, but, seemingly through no fault of their own, they were thrown back by circumstances to virtually rebuild a plant from scratch. Kodak at least has facilities, coating machinery in operation and some skilled staff working, and if even they can't give an if or when, it's not good ?
It took more than 6 to produce any film at Kodak.
PE
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Who cares?
Well obviously some people do but I don't. The chems are available now and it's easy enough to do it yourself, or send it out. Dwayne's has done a good job with my E6. (I won't talk about their scans.)
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Just to add a little sunshine to this thread.
35mm E100, processed recently by my local pro lab ("The Lab") who offer same day dip and dunk processing of E6 at a reasonable cost, and seem to be busy.
Scanned by me on a flatbed scanner.
35mm E100, processed recently by my local pro lab ("The Lab") who offer same day dip and dunk processing of E6 at a reasonable cost, and seem to be busy.
Scanned by me on a flatbed scanner.
Do folks thing the return of Ektachrome, as long as it's just a 100 speed film, really affect the total quantity of slide film shot very much? We have Provia and Velvia now. Of course Ektachrome has a different look from either, and that will give us an additional choice, but I don't see myself shooting any MORE slides because Ektachrome comes back. More Ektachrome and less Provia, yes. More total film, no.
Henry Reichenbach was alone when he produced the first film for Eastman in 1889. They, Eastman and Reichenbach, did that without asking Hannibal Goodwin, the inventor of the flexible photographic film, for permission.The truth must not be forgotten.
There would I think be a small, temporary spike with enthusiasts taking up Ektachrome. The 35mm format does limit its appeal, which could be enhanced if it were available in several formats e.g. 120 and 4x5.
But I don't see Ektachrome as being a wunderkind shot-in-the-arm that analogue photography needs. Worth a look aned a dabble, yes, but a much bigger issue is present!
I'm wondering if those folks responding in this thread are actually using any E6 emulsions now, in large quantities, rather than holding out for Kodak to release something that could be a long way distant.
The present and future of E6 depends on a healthy uptake and use/processing regime.
Without that, as we are already seeing, and the processing facilities (and chemicals), Ektachrome is toast.
The message? If you are not already doing so, get cracking with the available E6 emulsions to keep the treadmill going.
A lot of people do care, Roger.
But one should not be tempted in thinking that a good offer of processing facilities would be the solution. We got such in Germany, even cheap, but still use of slide film is sinking. Slide film is for projecting. And there is no interest in that.
I know. I just don't get it.
Kodak, and maybe Ferrania, are trying to bring on the market colour Super8 and this is something not covered by Fuji. It might become the new wave among people, it might give a shake to the industry.
Besides, until there is only one producer, whose commitment to continuity is dubious at best, slide film will be an endangered species. The entry of Kodak and Ferrania into the market would bring certainty for the future of the technology, competition, better prices. Price matters a lot.
Finally, I suspect that some professional long-term project is not based on slide film out of uncertainties regarding its future. I cannot point to which projects, or which investments, specifically, but I think it's the nature of the market. Visibility in the future brings investments by firms, by professionals. Uncertainty discourages investments and commitment to the platform. This might span from ceremony photographers to amateur film makers to professional film makers to documentary work.
Imagine a project to photograph the inside of a church (thing like San Pietro in Vaticano, or Basilica di Assisi, even if not of the same importance, archaeological sites etc.) for future use. It's the kind of project that can be undertaken either with chemical means (later digitized) or directly with digital. Each technology would have its advantages and disadvantages, but slide film as an endangered species would rule film out. I think this kind of project would be made with slide film very naturally otherwise given its obvious archival advantages over digital and also over negative film.
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if kodak spends millions of dollars to create a new product they want millions of people to use.
they better have an easy way for the 999,970,000 people who don't process their film.
its like making a car to sell to a region without gas stations, or roads ...
it kind of sounds like cadillac trying to sell SUV to the inhabitants of the amazon jungle.
i think you are right, some people will buy the film, and self process or send it to a lab
but a lot of people won't ( or maybe do it once ) because it is inconvenient as hell, and $$$.
we analog users are kind of crazy like that, we love inconvenience, we love chemicals that are toxic
that we might have a hard time getting rid of, and we love expensive...
to be honest, i was thinking of buying a brick of the film, and starting a kickstarter to crowd source
me the $$ to pay a lab to get it processed. or better yet, getting an account at a website called patreon
which is a platform that helps connect working artists or student artists or anyone else who creates
with patrons to fund them ...
so who knows ...
maybe i can find a wealthy benefactor to fund my chrome film fix...
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Nice shot, Matt; love the framing and the saturation. The Lab is my lab as well - They've been doing my E6 for the past five years; I've also been known to direct some of my black and white developing to them when I have a backlog (I took in 50-odd rolls of 120 FP4+, 35mm Tri-X, HP5+ and Delta 3200, yesterday am, on my way out to shoot at Jericho/Locarno/Spanish Banks). While I should be doing the processing myself, I've had an incredibly productive summer, photographically-speaking. Hopefully, the Monsoon Season gets a late start this year, and I can continue working at the same pace.
Absolutely gorgeous shot!
I'm hoping Ektachrome stays around a long time, but, like many, have concerns. 8mm film has some attraction to amateur and student film-makers, but, since the final output product is likely to be digital video, a reversal film may not have many advantages over existing negative films.
I love the look of slide film, but only shoot a few rolls of film a year. When Ektachrome returns, I will purchase a few rolls, but also will purchase less Provia.
To encourage more people to shoot slide film, I hope EK or KA makes available pre-paid mailers with prepaid postage. I have used a few of the Fuji pre-paid mailers which are developed by Dwayne's, but those require stamps and I'd like to avoid a trip to the post office while travelling. Otherwise, I tend to save up several rolls to send off to TheDarkRoom or Dwayne's to minimize postage costs
I love the look of slide film, but only shoot a few rolls of film a year. When Ektachrome returns, I will purchase a few rolls, but also will purchase less Provia.
To encourage more people to shoot slide film, I hope EK or KA makes available pre-paid mailers with prepaid postage. I have used a few of the Fuji pre-paid mailers which are developed by Dwayne's, but those require stamps and I'd like to avoid a trip to the post office while travelling. Otherwise, I tend to save up several rolls to send off to TheDarkRoom or Dwayne's to minimize postage costs
And you or I could make an emulsion and coat plates at home of equal quality to those early coatings, but it would take many people to production coat a film today. That must also not be forgotten.
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Kodak Ektachrome Elite 100 (5045) - Konica Hexar AF (captured in 1994 while visiting the Tour de France)
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For me my interest in Ektachrome is purely to have a slide film on the market from a company that seems to be actively being a part of the film market, rather than have the only choice be from a company which seems to be moving away from that market slowly.
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I for one am looking forward to some Ektachrome to run through my camera. In the meantime, we have Fujichrome Velvia and Provia available (and I have a small stash of Provia and a roll or so of Velvia 50) and the Portra films (I have a couple rolls of Portra 800 in 120) for when I want to shoot available darkness. I've had Dwayne's make slides from Portra negatives, but that's a hybrid process - I send 'em the scans and money, and get mounted slides back.
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