What's wider then 47mm XL?

[ScandiPhoto]

Hi.
Is there any good lens covering 4x5" with some shifting. I got the Schneider 47mm f/5.6 Super Angulon XL and it's good, I can shift 1-2 cm. Its 160mm image circle I think. but I would like to have an even wider lens, but no fisheye. Any suggestions?

 

[thinkbrown]

That's the widest 4x5 lens I'm aware of. The SA 38mm XL doesn't cover but apparently if you're okay with cropping you can get reasonable 4x4 square shots out of it: https://valdostafilm.blogspot.com/2014/07/schneider-38mm-xl-first-outing.html?m=1

 

[MARTIE]

I think 47mm is already in the realm of fish eye.
I have the 58mm and that's also quite extreme.

 

[Doremus Scudder]

One can always use fisheye lenses from smaller formats to make a circular image on larger film. I've seen exhibitions of images like this that are quite effective.

Doremus

 

[Maris]

Noosa River, 37mm Fisheye, #006
Gelatin-silver photograph on Ilford Classic VC FB photographic paper, image size about 16cm diameter, from a 4x5 Fomapan 100 negative
exposed in a Tachihara 45GF field view camera fitted with a Mamiya 37mm f4.5 fisheye lens and red filter.

The Mamiya 37mm fisheye doesn't cover 4x5 but the image could be still useful. The negative could be scanned into an image processing program and "de-fished".
Or the negative could be enlarged back through the original 37mm fisheye taking lens which would optically de-fish it.

Either way a rectilinear picture could result which would span 180 degrees from one blurry diagonal corner to the other.
Hmmm, maybe there is a good reason why this is not actually done.

 

[ic-racer]

One of the widest rectilinear angle of views on large format is pairing of a 75 mm hypergon with 8 by 10 film.

There was no 37mm version for 4x5, however.

 

[ScandiPhoto]

Well. Ive stitched two 47mm negs sometimes, and that makes for quite a wide picture. But it requires full open lens. And the quality is not really super. Anyway, I guess that's my best bet. Thanks for all the replies.

 

[xkaes]

47mm on a 4x5 is like a 12mm on a 35mm camera --that's 120°. The only things wider are fisheyes.

EXCEPT -- the only way to get wider than that is with panoramic lenses. There are many to chose from. The lens moves and scans a wider area.

 

[Dan Fromm]

OP, if you can dispense with the sharpness that a lens can bring and can live with cos^4 falloff, consider using a pinhole.

 

[xkaes]

is there there anything wider that 120 degrees?

 

[DREW WILEY]

Hypergon lenses.

 

[ScandiPhoto]

Well, it would need to be straight lines. So a fisheye is not really usable. I got a building, that needs to be photographed flat on, but the street is to narrow

Anyway, I will stitch, it works reasonably good.

 

[Tumbles]

There is the 44mm f5.6 Wild Super Aviogon. It's said to cover 9x9, but it doesn't have a shutter. They're likely pretty difficult to find.

 

[MsLing]

Aerial lens can even provide 140-150° AOV, e.g. Russar-38/52/58/62/81/83