so why get upset, when the interactions are not real?
Good point julie, but most realize that the internet info , we ought to take with a grain of salt. At least IMO. Peer review is not like it used to be. It used to be if any one wanted to get information out. They needed to write a book. Therefor many editors would need to sign off plus publisher would be highly selective. Due to heavy cost. All of that tended to weed out the bad seeds. On chat rooms that is not the case. An one can claim expertise or knowledge. Anyone who thinks or believes information givin is correct or" real " is naive. Imo. Again chat rooms should be viewed as entertainment. Any ideals higher than that is a fools errand. Just my two cents. I personally do not trust any one elses experience, but my own. I would like to trust, but relaying info that is accurate as the indendee indended it is fraught with so many problems.
Okay, but does that mean a whole bunch of us are going to die in the next couple of hours?I like all the different "characters" here on Apug! really, it's just as good as Shakespear, or a Verdi opera.
He must be referring to the creator of these posts:
what was the last meal you cooked from scratch?
what waS your last photography related purchase?
after a long winter here in the northern hemisphere any projects on the horizon ?
new words added to the merriam webster dictionary
koduck pondering the idea of bringing back the daguerreotype
why do you use a film camera and maybe make prints
7 folds of paper
have you noticed a difference ?
what be the day today ?!
everything will be alright
there is absolutely NOTHING like the classics
39 years ago today
Prince being streamed all day online
its that time of year again
when was the last time
olde school what is it that you like / do old school
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BUGS!
old car ads and nwe car ads
do you talk to strangers, and has anything bad ever come of it ?
its snowing again ...
fstopshere
serious or sense of humor
i am very relieved
aaargh! did you miss it ?
help with elves and fae
FILL IN THE BLANK ( parody? serious? who cares? )
show of hands ...
grainless [mod note: *satire]
uh uh uh eugene
kasey kasem, radio and voice icon RIP
GOAL: 2014
RIP BOB #2
winter or spring?
...
Lou Reed
Click Links, do you do it ?
How'd you like to scrape the barnacles off of me rudder ... its that day again !
jonathan winters RIP
anyone else using wordpress ... ?
meatballs and calzones
do you ever look at clouds
Okay, but does that mean a whole bunch of us are going to die in the next couple of hours?
I do understand though why someone like Julie McLeod (who is relatively new to APUG and film) might be bothered more by a rude or abrupt response than I might. Not because she is more thin skinned than I am, but rather because I'mm more comfortable in knowing what I know and what I don't know about things photographic. Also, I've got a pretty good handle on what to expect from a lot of the "regulars" here on APUG. And Julie is probably much less susceptible to being bothered by that rudeness then when she first appeared on APUG, because one quickly learns to discount either or both of the attitude and content of the rude posts.
The real concern is those who are brand new to the site, and uncertain about their knowledge. That is why I try to take pains to welcome new members when they first ask a question. Even if that welcome is accompanied by something like a search recommendation, the tone of that recommendation is what matters the most.
Even if that welcome is accompanied by something like a search recommendation, the tone of that recommendation is what matters the most.
I agree with a lot of what you said but forums are a bit more than entertainment, I think. I often use them to get some basic ideas about a technique or process but then go to books or even online articles for detailed information. Sometimes the forum conversations help me understand what I need to be looking for in books.
What bugs me more is the attitude that APUG shouldn't even be in the business of providing information to beginners and that they should go off and search for answers elsewhere. Luckily, it hasn't been the most common attitude expressed in this thread but it still gets under my skin just as it would if when asking for help finding something in the grocery store, a staff person told me to find it myself or go to another store.
Getting people organized here is a joke..I've reached out to people over the years..he'll I could teach you more in 2 days than you could learn in 5If we go back to the OP's initial post the thread hasn't really professed anywhere particularly useful yet.
Like a few others I get quite a few requests for help privately by PM and even more by email. It takes considerable time to reply in some cases and sometimes some research.
For a few years now I've felt that the best ways of helping is often one to one mentoring, I guess that comes from having attended and later run quite a few workshops. In the past people joined Camera Clubs/Photographic Societies to learn but they are now almost totally digital and here in the UK few colleges run Analog evening classes (many or most Degree courses still have film modules).
What I'm really saying is that actual hands on experience whether help with metering, using LF, printing & mounting (just some examples) are much easier to grasp this way. I see a few from this and other Forums each year one to one and also organise occasional regional meet ups (usually cross Forum so not just APUG).
I know for instance that there's an APUG/LF group in Calgary and there's plenty of others but I think there's room for far more.
Ian
Getting people organized here is a joke..I've reached out to people over the years..he'll I could teach you more in 2 days than you could learn in 5
Julie:What bugs me more is the attitude that APUG shouldn't even be in the business of providing information to beginners and that they should go off and search for answers elsewhere.
What bugs me more is the attitude that APUG shouldn't even be in the business of providing information to beginners and that they should go off and search for answers elsewhere. Luckily, it hasn't been the most common attitude expressed in this thread but it still gets under my skin just as it would if when asking for help finding something in the grocery store, a staff person told me to find it myself or go to another store.
Julie:
I think that Gerald's comments may have been misunderstood (at least a little bit).
I think that he is of the opinion that the structure and methods of interaction in sites like APUG is not the best choice for beginners who want to learn. And to a certain extent I agree with him. Discussion sites like this are better at dealing with discrete parcels of information than they are at helping build a concrete foundation of knowledge.
I'm more optimistic than I think he is about how much these fora can contribute to the beginner, but it is really difficult some times to impart the necessary context. Face to face interaction plus a good book are way better.
I'm surprised, because I would think that the questions you would be likely to ask now (given the work you have done) are ones that are much more suited to APUG's structure.But I do know that I sort of wish I'd never opened this thread in the first place because it has left me feeling a little less likely to plunge in and ask questions than I might have been before.
I'm surprised, because I would think that the questions you would be likely to ask now (given the work you have done) are ones that are much more suited to APUG's structure.
The irritation that some of us feel sometimes at some of the questions is at least somewhat related to how the questions are asked.
If someone is open about how new to this they are, as well as how unfamiliar they are with APUG, they are much more likely to be treated gently and given lots of guidance (which may include some search recommendations) than someone who bursts in and seem to be asking a question that contains its own (potentially incorrect) answer. That experience too is not uncommon.
Is this the right place to ask whether Rodinal is any good?
W/E
this isn't just a nuts and bolts photograpy forum
it is a community of people with similar interests ..
discussions in the lounge connect people with similar interests
not just which camera or film is the best or some obscure fact about emulsion ..
sure some of those threads have been kind of goofy
some of them have been death notices, others directly related to photography
and others about wellness and cooking ...
if you+siriusgas dont' want to read what i have to post put me on your ignore list, i'd appreciate it
I have a real life experience with asking questions on old topics.... today I need to know if there is anyone using Today paper for lith, not old paper , but current paper available in stock somewhere Today.... If I was new to this site and asked this question, even though there are ton's of old threads about paper for lith, how many of these threads would be appropriate to my question.. I would be pissed to be told to google my question.
Our industry is changing so rapidly. The answer to my question can only be answered by one or two people here currently working in Lith Today and have purchased within weeks.
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