Regarding so called "necrobumping" or the problem of "I didn't know I was looking at/responding to an old thread"... I always thought there was a very simple solution to that. Give post headers more than one year old a slightly different color. It's an instant and effective visual cue that doesn't take up any space. It also assists in finding the first new post in a long thread of old ones. Something like this...
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In this day and age it is a required skill to know how to do an effective web search. It is not within the purview of APUG to teach these skills. They now teach this is grade school.
I hope more new people come here and ask whatever questions they feel like and are made to feel welcome. To discriminate how someone goes about finding answers about the analog craft in what is largely a digital world is in my opinion, a fools errand in keeping film use relevant if not vibrant in the coming years.
There was a point in time a few years back that the tone was so rude on here, I told Sean that I gave a recommendation to faculty at the school I mentor young people at to stay away and look elsewhere for a collaborative atmosphere. They took it seriously and young photographers in this program went elsewhere to places like the discussion groups on Flickr for example for all things analog.
Then it improved, I returned and pointed students in this direction again. I am happy to see Peter's posting of this topic, I had not really noticed because I have been totally stacked with back to back shoots, darkroom in transition since I bought a new home, etc.
Mr. Koch, several times in this thread you have made references to what this site is and is not and I think you are, to put it respectfully but firmly...totally out of line. This is a community comprised of all ability levels, nationalities and walks of life. Expectations of what APUG is to each person are as diverse as the people who come here. Some show up and stay, some pass through, like any virtual or in person community.
In the case of said newcomers asking repeat questions, it has never bothered me in the least because I like to see new names and share my life long passion of my chosen life / career as a photographer with others. That is why I mentor young photographers as an adjunct faculty once a week for two classes. To me, this site reflects my own life path in photography, always striving, learning and knowing there is no such thing as a dumb question and one that is asked too many times.
I hope more new people come here and ask whatever questions they feel like and are made to feel welcome. To discriminate how someone goes about finding answers about the analog craft in what is largely a digital world is in my opinion, a fools errand in keeping film use relevant if not vibrant in the coming years.
Lets not do that, ok?
Bob:I remember I got a full on ripping from Jorge and one other over silver recovery the first few times I posted.... I basically told them to where to stick their comments, It was really off putting for me as even though I knew more about photography than them both together (IMO) , the rudeness was an eyeopener and though I have thick skin there is no place for this in APUG me thinks.
I had to teach you about proper solarizations...APUG is like a family reunion of people who are strangers. As we associate with each other, we learn the "foibles" of each other and become more and more comfortable with each other. Each new person goes through this same process.
I remember how hard some things were for me here when I first joined. Many "experts" were here that took issue with some of my answers, and I considered quitting APUG.
PE
Hi MattBob:
Jorge was the poster child for rudeness. And as a result he is long gone.
I'll repeat something I said earlier. It is helpful to suggest a search if one has actually done a search and seen that there are useful results. And of course, there are both polite and impolite ways of making the suggestion.
Jorge was ... interesting.I'm sort of sorry that guy was already gone by the time I joined.
I found it a little difficult at the beginning of my membership also, and almost quit. In fact if I remember correctly I wrote to you about it at the time.
Still areThere have been some supremely rude people here over the years.
Jorge was ... interesting.
He left not too long after I joined.
And well he may have left on his own devices, I've no doubt that that was at least partially due to his interactions with others (including the moderators).
There have been some supremely rude people here over the years. A few have been banned, most have left on their own, none have been appreciated (at least for their rudeness).
You would have eaten him alive MichaelI'm sort of sorry that guy was already gone by the time I joined.
By the way, if YOU respond rudely to a person asking a simple question, it says more about YOU than the poor unfortunate soul looking for help. Other people here notice it. Remember that.
I don't know if anyone has noticed over the last few years, but the internet has swollen with detritus. I don't blame newbies for coming here and asking simple questions. I recently looked for a developing time on a film I rarely use and ended up on Flickr. The amount of misinformation in the thread was mind-boggling. Literally everything was wrong, and the results of the people following the advice later in the thread were horrible. They thought they were at fault when it was just the bad advice. Another factor is for some reason APUG doesn't come up very high on searches it seems, so people end up in other places, like blogs, or Flickr. And as of late, Photonet is pretty much useless since their redo. Most of the time when I follow a link from a search engine to an old thread there it is gone. Most of the videos on YouTube are done by people who just got started so they are confusing. Is it any wonder why newbies come here asking for help? I don't think so. It is getting difficult to find a simple answer with all the noise out there.
By the way, if YOU respond rudely to a person asking a simple question, it says more about YOU than the poor unfortunate soul looking for help. Other people here notice it. Remember that.
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