Because I think it's relevant to what Julie is repeatedly saying but doesn't seem to be heard, I'm going to quote an earlier post of mine:
Newer, uniformed members don't know always know which books or articles to turn to for reliable information. We may not know what search terms will yield good results on Google or APUG. And, even if we do come up with search terms, we often get many differing and conflicting perspectives. That's why we turn to a discussion forum where we hope to be able to ask our questions and engage in a dialog with experienced members. The opportunity for dialog is important because it allows us to ask follow up questions and double check for understanding. If experienced members think it's better to encourage us to read and search rather than ask questions, then maybe this forum isn't a place for "newer, uninformed members" at all...
Just because someone suggests a Google search doesn't automatically lock out discussion from others. Normal discussion is good, but I see nothing wrong with suggesting outside sources to get a better background. A Google search or any other search suggestion is just one way to respond, and in some cases may actually be the best response. The archives here are discussion, and I recommend them as well, because the newer members will get the benefit of even more discussion, and possibly from older, more experienced members.
sixkings55, can you tell us specifically what has made you decide to leave. I had a quick look at, admittedly, only some of your posts and the replies and it wasn't clear to me what specifically happened to make you decide to leave?
The young users already left because the grumpy users told them to Google the answer.
It's really not useful to rephrase things into a "we versus them" problem. But anyone who believes that there are too many grumpy old men on APUG are certainly free to go elsewhere. There ARE other sites on the web. Perhaps they have a younger readership and probably fewer answers.
And likewise, they're certainly free to stay -- and ask any and as many questions as they like.But anyone who believes that there are too many grumpy old men on APUG are certainly free to go elsewhere.
I was a school teacher for many (many) years. I taught several artistic disciplines and many skills.
I also taught manners.
As an aside, it is interesting that you had to teach manners. For my generation it was the parents who taught their children manners.
It's really not useful to rephrase things into a "we versus them" problem. But anyone who believes that there are too many grumpy old men on APUG are certainly free to go elsewhere. There ARE other sites on the web. Perhaps they have a younger readership and some may feel more at home there. But these sites probably have fewer good answers.
An interesting aside on your aside, long before people were complaining about "political correctness", there was a different PC in our home - polite and considerate. (that, along with respect and dignity... what ever happened to those two words in the 21st Century?) If you could not be either, you did not get a seat at my mother's table.
Well I think and hope that you may be re-considering your decision to leave. Yes we can appear to be dismissive and curmudgeonly at times but what counts is your judgement on how your own responses have been received on balance.Sorry folks it's nothing anybody said. I'm having a moment of depression and self pity. I just feel like I don't belong here, like I showed up and the train already left and all I'm going to be doing is chasing it down the track.
Forgive me.
I believe Seans move with the new site is a big indicator that the train is returning. I hope to jump onboard again.Sixkings55... realize one thing... the APUG track is circular... the train will return... be patient.
I believe Seans move with the new site is a big indicator that the train is returning. I hope to jump onboard again.
There is a addon for "similar threads" that when creating a new thread will auto list similar threads. Would people find this useful or annoying? It could stop a lot of repeats but some may still fall through the cracks. This is what it looks like:
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