What is a better term than "Hybrid Darkroom?"

[Kevin Harding]

At the very least at LFPF, the debate about digital being related to size of the sensitized item used to capture the image (ie, no 4x5 digital backs) isn't preventing people from discussing scanning tactics (ie, stitching) or printing methodologies (inkjet or otherwise). And at the very least, the Lounge permits those discussions.

Just my $0.02 Canadian. Your exchange rate may vary.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

Coincidentally there's a bit of something going on there right now...

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?123432-Digital-hate-overmoderating

It's a little funnier than the debate here, because there's the added element of format size. The "capture" medium in discussions has to be 4x5 or larger or it goes to the Lounge. Since there's no such thing as a digital sensor that large, any discussion of digital camera equipment gets moved to the Lounge regardless of the size of the camera....

http://www.betterlight.com/products4X5.html

 

[Sirius Glass]

Just tell me where else I can discuss film and darkroom in peace without all the digital discussions intruding. Then think of all the places one can discuss digital flow. Go there and leave the digital talk out of this place.

+1

 

[Sirius Glass]

In regard to the forum's charter, I find it puzzling that APUG allows electronically-produced (you have to use a scanner) images in the gallery.

An example of a pedantic twit masquerading as a troll. Everyone wave to Mr. Obvious.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

Are those scanning backs? If so, they were covered in this LFF thread. Someone asked if a 4x5 scanning back counts as LF. It doesn't, because it is a smaller sensor moving across a larger area, rather than a single, stationary capture of an area 4x5 or larger, which makes it essentially the same as stitching camera exposures together.

Of course, but since the data from an area sensor is typically read off the sensor a line at a time, this is essentially the same thing - reading a line at a time - just a little slower. They fit on a 4x5 camera and produce a 4x5 image.

The largest area sensor I worked with was 2 1/4" square - this was about 15 years ago, so there may be bigger ones today.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Ok, make one Michael!

PE

 

[Arklatexian]

No purity involved - just focus here on APUG.

I frequently converse with people about digital topics, just not here on APUG.

I infrequently use a digital camera, but I don't talk about it here on APUG.

I have three scanners, two of which can scan film, and two of which can scan prints, but I don't ask questions about them here on APUG.

I'm happy to learn about digital negatives, ink sets (sort of), complex sets of printer instructions (sort of), a bit about the manipulations available using software (a very little bit), printers that print digitally on to light sensitive photographic paper (a lot), scanners and a few other similar things, just not here on APUG.









With great trepidation, I would say that if you want to discuss all these things on APUG:

1) those discussions are not wanted here on APUG; and
2) if you insist on it, you are not welcome here on APUG.

It is not about the subjects themselves, it is about the characteristics of this forum.

Since this forum was started, over 75,000 have signed on as members, and they have, collectively, posted more than 1,650,000 different posts. As I type, nearly 900 are on line.

Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with that "purity" you so decry.

+1

 

[pbromaghin]

http://www.betterlight.com/products4X5.html

Only 3" x 4". Not there yet.

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear pbromaghin,

Thanks for the post and the info, I'm sure they are very good....and perhaps even worthy.

but IMHO it can 'technically' never ever get there.... and I also have nothing against d*****l at all.....or even 'Hybrid' but do not like the word.

Why ? Because A ) it does not produce a unique negative that no one else can ever produce, and then B ) go on to make a silver gelatin print(s) each one of which is a work of a craftsperson and not the work of a CCD and a computer.


Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Its an electronic device.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Jager]

As a relatively new member of the community here, I don't have the credibility that most bring. I'll simply offer that APUG is an attractive place, because it focuses on those tactile, analog processes that most of us have enjoyed for years and years. The last thing I'd like to see is a bunch of threads involving digital processes start popping up. This particular sub-forum right here - B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry - is a beautiful place precisely because I can come here and see discussions involving things I cannot find elsewhere, except episodically.

That said, I find it curious and interesting - in a world in which traditional analog photographic elements are oftentimes now bound to a digital element or two - any discussions of those digital elements are so fraught. As if even their acknowledgment might cause the infection to spread faster. "Don't let her touch you, you'll get cooties!"

If I were to come upon a thread here, for example, titled "How Can I Preserve the Gentle Highlights Rolloff of TMAX 100 When Scanning?" I would find that thread interesting. I would like to see that.

The flip side is that if I came to this - my favorite sub-forum - only to find a marked diminishment in discussions about the stuff that needs to actually get wet at some point, I'd be very disheartened. I'd likely be saying "Those boys were right, we should never have let this stuff in!"

Maybe the imminent integration with DPUG is, indeed, the answer. We can hope so.

In the meantime, as a sidebar, I'll note that DPUG is currently not available to me (and perhaps others). The couple times I've tried to post a response there I've received a "Thank you for your post; it will need to be reviewed by a moderator before it is posted." Alas, it never does get reviewed, never does get posted. And my contacting a moderator goes unheeded.

 

[ME Super]

The LFPF debate is virtually the same one as this one going on at APUG, in that it is a question of what defines the respective Forums. For APUG, that is a totally analog process from image capture through print production.

For those of us who shoot slides for projection, the piece of film that went through the camera can be the final image, so no need to print and it's all non-digital too!

 

[RobC]

For those of us who shoot slides for projection, the piece of film that went through the camera can be the final image, so no need to print and it's all non-digital too!

what about the projector remote controller

 

[BradS]

Nothing wrong with using hybrid film technology of any kind whatsoever. I personally use an Epson V750-Pro flatbed for all of my negative and print scanning needs. It's an excellent lower-pricepoint piece of hardware that can also accommodate my 8x10 film requirements. Great bang for the buck.

But I don't discuss that use here on APUG because it's off-topic and I respect the community's wishes in that regard. You obviously already know this. Yet you persist in disrespecting the community as a whole by continuing to push back against those wishes. Perverse entertainment? I dunno'...

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Ken

Thanks Ken. I always wonder if people really don't get it or don't care or just if they wanna be rude.....

 

[removedacct1]

If I were to come upon a thread here, for example, titled "How Can I Preserve the Gentle Highlights Rolloff of TMAX 100 When Scanning?" I would find that thread interesting. I would like to see that.

I take issue not with the fact that "D-talk" is discouraged, since its clearly not part of the APUG charter, but because the more vehement silver-or-nothing members insist on ranting when "gray area" subjects like the one Jager speaks of (above) come up. Why the militant few cannot just look the other way instead of screeching in complaint when they see such content is incomprehensible. Cooties, indeed.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I take issue not with the fact that "D-talk" is discouraged, since its clearly not part of the APUG charter, but because the more vehement silver-or-nothing members insist on ranting when "gray area" subjects like the one Jager speaks of (above) come up. Why the militant few cannot just look the other way instead of screeching in complaint when they see such content is incomprehensible. Cooties, indeed.

Paul, the previous 190 posts have honestly, and exasperatingly, and furiously, and eloquently, and emphatically, and pleadingly answered that very question of why members can't look the other way. Even the site founder has previously answered the question of why in great detail. Several times over, in fact.

Did you read the first link in (there was a url link here which no longer exists)?

Still incomprehensible? Really?? Or just an explanation you don't want to hear?

Not trying to be a butt here. But this is truly frustrating...



Ken

 

[removed account4]

hi paulbarden
I don't really think it is a militant few but it is the site as a whole
isn't currently set up for digital hardware finessing questions. this really
is a film/paper/camera/darkroom technique site ...
but, I think if it was a general question that jager asked
in relation to uploading to the apug gallery
that type of conversation... while discouraged by some,
is actually permitted, and that sort of question has been and is often answered.
but ...
in a few weeks though after the rollout that sort of question might be posted and answered without a delay ..
but as Tom p sings the waiting is the hardest part ...

 

[RobC]

So it looks like you've got the following suggestions to work with:

hybrid photography
Dinosaur Digital
toilet
gateway drug
Ya Hybrid
hybrid workflow
DIMROOM
OPENROOM
MONITOR ROOM
hybrid process
artificial intelligence print
Empty room
Film Capture
analclone
Multi Media
analretention
Digital Chemistry
Multi-option processing facility
Volderoom
Software Abstracted Photography
A non Hybrid Darkroom

Take your pick.

 

[ME Super]

what about the projector remote controller

It's wired, and has a switch to control forward/reverse and a button to start the advance cycle. No numbers here, just electric signals to control the projector.

 

[RobC]

I'll let you off then

 

[pbromaghin]

And why does the big stink about digital talk have to be raised when there is an APUG, not DPUG, forum reserved for it? It is no different from talking about B&W chemicals in the B&W chemicals forum and color chemicals in the color chemicals forum. I believe this will be the 3rd time this link has been posted in this conversation:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[removed account4]

...

 

[Sirius Glass]

So it looks like you've got the following suggestions to work with:

hybrid photography
Dinosaur Digital
toilet
gateway drug
Ya Hybrid
hybrid workflow
DIMROOM
OPENROOM
MONITOR ROOM
hybrid process
artificial intelligence print
Empty room
Film Capture
analclone
Multi Media
analretention
Digital Chemistry
Multi-option processing facility
Volderoom
Software Abstracted Photography
A non Hybrid Darkroom

Take your pick.

Do not forget digi-snapping, looking like a horse's ass while taking selfies, ...

 

[bobwysiwyg]

Wow, speaking dead, how about this thread passing on.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Do not forget digi-snapping, looking like a horse's ass while taking selfies, ...

 

[Sirius Glass]

Student's selfie on Brooklyn Bridge railing prompts NYPD response

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/students-selfie-on-brooklyn-bridge-railing-prompts-nypd-response/