1. No, I am not. 2. I explained myself better than most will ever do in any situation.
You are just repeating... "film will die film will die no I don't want it but film will die boohoohoo"... Giving no arguments.
Sorry, but I just can't see your logic no matter what. You are just repeating... "film will die film will die no I don't want it but film will die boohoohoo"... Giving no arguments.
People are buying film and want to use it, like you and me.
So, it is made.
It is indeed logical that 5 years ago people went digital. It was a new medium that time and gave new possibilities to many.
But exactly what makes people abandon film now or in 2015, in large scale??
has anyone know where is 35mm fuji 400H in europe??
what makes people abandon film ?
the fact that they can't get it anymore,
or they can't find it where they usually shop
and they can't get it processed where they usually do...
btw, what are the 8 ISO 800+ films?
The original topic was strictly about ISO 800 and higher color film. And somehow it has turned into "the death of film in 2015". hrst, I agree, it has gotten out of hand now.
I feel like I have repeated this but instead of the doom and gloom lets shoot ISO 800!!
I feel like I have repeated this but instead of the doom and gloom lets shoot ISO 800!!
To every gloomy one;
Well, let's see who's right in 2015.
5 years ago I had exactly the same discussion on the Internet, heard the same arguments and same prophecies; in 2010, if not earlier, film will be dead or almost dead. Some said only BW will be available, some said E6 will live but C41 die, etc. etc. I said the same things as I say now. And now the sales are rising. My simple and realistic forecast was completely right, their stupid prophecies were wrong. The only difference in the discussion was that they were some kind of film-haters and shot digital. I'm surprised I'm undergoing the same discussion here. What's wrong with you?
Film is not so hard&expensive to manufacture. There are enough cameras that eat film and people will use them because they own them and buy them because they are interested in them. There is a huge selection of films, at least eight 800-1600 speed color negs. If sales keep at the current level, there will be only little discontinuations, if sales start to decline again, maybe there won't be eight 800-1600 color negs available anymore, but "only" 3-5 for instance.
The manufacturing infrastructure and industry is there, but the machinery can't be used to anything else but to make film. They have a finished product with no further R&D costs and people buy it. It is wise to keep it running if it makes any money. Same goes with processing services. There is huge amount of minilabs running. Chemistry is not rocket science. And, there is always a place for new business if there is demand and something happens to current supply of services; for example, I have seriously considered starting a business (photo store & film development services) and may do it in the future. There are many businessmen among us hobbyists.
You use circular argument; Film will die because we don't buy it, and we don't buy it because it has died, and that causes it to die. As if some higher entity (The Evil Kodak?) would take it magically away from us? If you mean that, say that. Don't use circular argument.
Let's wait for 5 years and see.
Anyone wanna bet some money? I can promise to buy film with it when I win. I can also promise that if I lose, I will devote my life to learn making color neg films and as high-speed as possible.
I find it funny how slow you people can sometimes be even here at APUG where usually I find people quite rational. Come on, it's 2010 now. These arguments are 4-6 years old, when there was many severe discontinuations. Look at the current situation.
And look at yourself; if you are asked "would you use film in the future", everyone of you will answer; YES. What makes you believe that most of the other people would not answer the same way? Can you see anyone who answers NO? Can you imagine a person who has used film until 2010 and then suddenly stops using it? If you can, do you really believe that most of the people would be like that?
"Film is harder to get and that will kill it" is the funniest argument ever. It means you admit there's more demand than supply. Exactly when that kind of situation has killed a product? That's just the opposite. Temporary problems to provide products as the demand is higher than expected, is always a GOOD sign, not a bad sign.
Just like the new Ektar 100 was definitely a BAD sign, meaning that other films will be discontinued, and so on. And Kodak is evil and so on.
COME ON WAKE UP!!! I know you may be quite fearful about the global economical recession that especially touches the USA, but recessions are not endless, companies that have real products people buy suffer less, and there are also other film manufacturers located outside the USA....... for example, Japan: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/marc-faber-offers-upbeat-view-on-japan-2010-02-22
You are way too gloomy and boring. Oh please...
Well okay, everything I said in the previous message will hold true for strictly ISO 800 and higher color films. In fact I meant them as I wrote, I just wrote more in general. Do you want to bid money? I can say it more straightforward: there will be at least three ISO800 or higher color film products (different sizes are different products if they are on different base) on the market from Kodak and/or Fuji in 2015. (If Kodak has none, then Fuji must have three, and so on.) Or wanna bet about 2020, if 2015 is too close?
Well, there's no magic in pushing. Shoot at 800 and develop for 3'45. It is not a real alternative but it may be sufficient for some purposes. Just try it to see if it suits you.
Usually you need more speed in dark situations at night, and that's when there's usually high contrast. Push processing increases contrast even more and doesn't give much shadow speed, so it is not so efficient and you may blow up highlights. If you SCAN, then you have curves to work with and push processing may work much better as you can save the highlights afterwards. In analog printing, some kind of contrast mask may be necessary.
The real thing to do is to practice shooting without camera shake. If your grip is not perfect, you can easily get 2-3 stops more "speed" by just practicing the correct way to shoot. The second best is to buy faster lenses. Then comes push processing and other chemical intensifications.
Even without betting anything, I can promise that I will start experimenting with pushing and intensifications and will report the results if the faster films are going somewhere. I need fast films, too.
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