I just checked USA resellers Amazon, B&H, & Adorama, and the Kodak 18% gray card is not in stock. Some sellers say the Kodak gray card is "out of print" or "no longer available." This Kodak <website> describes a gray card under the heading "Motion Picture" but does not say where to get one.
There are several companies offering similar gray cards, but they are brands I never heard of. What have members tried using as substitutes for the Kodak gray card -- and which ones would you recommend to use, or stay away from?
Are the collapsable ones (printed on fabric) reasonable aternatives?
Yes, I did find some on eBay described as "new" but possibly old stock. I have seen some anecdotal reports about the Kodak cards fading with hard use, but I assume an old card in the original packaging will probably still be OK(?)Find an old Kodak Darkroom Data Guide, IIRC, the older ones had a gray card page.
Did a quick check of the auction site: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2850198371...1291&msclkid=e4c64c60784918b96e80282af19a4dae
What have members tried using as substitutes for the Kodak gray card -- and which ones would you recommend to use, or stay away from?
Kodak Film Order & Catalogue - Buy Kodak Film
Price catalogs and information on how to order KODAK Motion Picture Filmwww.kodak.com
Order information is buried in the website, but is in each price guide; one for US, one for Europe and one for Canada.
Kodak Film Order & Catalogue - Buy Kodak Film
Price catalogs and information on how to order KODAK Motion Picture Filmwww.kodak.com
Order information is buried in the website, but is in each price guide; one for US, one for Europe and one for Canada.
It's called an incident meter -- and much more accurate than a gray card (NO reflections). But gray cards have several uses -- especially the white side.
Thank you. I do have a couple of light meters, and in tricky lighting situations, the first thing I do is to take an incident reading. And I am also painfully aware of how the "shine" from the surface of a gray card can affect meter readings.
The great minds of the forum will no doubt think it irrelevant - and possibly a Bad Idea - but my thought was to include a gray card in some of my photos to see if it might be helpful in evaluating exposure and white balance AFTER the scene is metered and captured. Yes? No?
The great minds of the forum will no doubt think it irrelevant - and possibly a Bad Idea - but my thought was to include a gray card in some of my photos to see if it might be helpful in evaluating exposure and white balance AFTER the scene is metered and captured. Yes? No?
Thanks for your reply. Perhaps "shine" was too strong of a word. The two brands of gray cards I have owned - Delta and Kodak - both have a matt surface, but none-the-less do have some sheen that can be seen at certain angles to the light. For whatever reason, I have noticed if I rotate the gray card in either direction, the meter reading can change significantly (plus-or-minus a full stop). So obviously, for the card to reflect the correct amount of light it, must be held at the correct angle.Every gray card I've used has a matte surface, no shine or glare. For critical color work, I will usually make an exposure with a color chart in the scene, then crop it out. If that is not possible, a follow-up exposure without the chart.
Wow! Thanks for that!I once took a huge stack of "gray cards" of various brands to my worksite industrial spectrophotometer. Not one of them was even within 3% of 18%, some as far off as 15%, not one was actual neutral gray, and even those within the same brand differed from one another. Kodak ones were among the worst. At the glacial rate camera stores sold those, I'm surprised there wasn't moss growing on some of them. I ended up formulating a quart of true 18% paint, consistent in neutrality clear across the board all the way from one step into UV clear up into one step of IR. It was quite a chore, but otherwise a fun rainy day project.
What was spot on in terms of both gray scale neutrality and true 18% reflectance was the middle gray patch of my McBeth Color Checker Chart, which is keep clean and unfaded. And more recently, some of the best collapsible gray/white discs intended for digital camera calibration are excellent; certainly not all - you get what you pay for!
Does it make a difference? Undoubtedly in color photography. Don't waste your money on a typical camera store gray card. It's probably going to be either faded or just plain off in terms of quality control. And looking for exactly the right shade of a cereal box interior? What kind of joke is that? Is it the same brand of cereal with a free toy inside, in this case a free disposable camera? Anyone who does serious color photography and printing is way ahead spending the money for something serious, like the McBeth Chart, and at least using that as a reference for the accuracy of your alternative gray cards. It's like me keeping on hand a real machinist's try square to check the reliability of my carpenter's squares, or a machinist level to check my ordinary levels. You can't make assumptions.
The classic McBeth chart is now marketed by Spyder, and possibly rebranded under other names too, and costs around $50. Decent fabric gray/white discs are around the same price in medium sizing.
I have a Datacolor Spyder chart. Not cheap. It folds up in a plastic case and has threads for mounting to a stand. There are two chart cards that can be flipped, one has grays on one side, color on the other, the other has color on one side, a gray card on the other.What color chart do you use?
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