@StepheKoontz He's already turned his nose up at a Zorki. At this point, I just check back on this thread to see where it goes.
So if I were to offer you a recently serviced and fully restored Kodak Retina IIa for $10., you would decline the offer? If so, explain to me why it doesn't meet the requirements stated above. Seems to me it'd be just about perfect as a "no prestige, just a working body" camera.
This is an interesting thread, and I, like Donald, check in to see what's cooking. From the looks of it Eli has not yet received his $10 Leica.Use what please you and can bring home the shots you see in the every day, but do no suggest I could use just any other rangefinders.
I would have loved to have had that M2, but I also know that it wouldn't have made a bit of difference in the photos I made. So honestly I do not understand how no other photographic instrument could be a substitute for the Barnack or M that Eli desires- IMO the drive to make images as an artist should transcend something as trivial as a brand within a broad category
You're looking for a unicorn. Not quite as rare as a rainbow unicorn with fairy wings and glitter sprinkles, but nonetheless a unicorn. My sincerest recommendation is that your expectation is not matching the reality of the marketplace for the camera you want - you need to adjust your expectations either on the price or the time frame. All those characteristics of the camera you described above are really good reasons to pay a lot of money for a professional tool, which is something you seem unwilling to do. Frankly, you might have better luck if you were asking for such a camera for $100 rather than for $10 , and your story was that you were a broke student who needed a camera (although that would still be a stretch), because then at least there would be a reason you couldn't afford more (broke student) and the amount you were offering was a gesture on your part to acknowledge the value of the camera.You'll have to take a look at the response I made to Donald moments ago to see where I am coming from in that direction.
People keep bringing up "prestige" as a reason to own one of these cameras, and no that in it's designs of the Barnack and "M" film Leicas, are desirable for their function and forum, whatever lens you put one one.
Why is that?
Because, imo, hipsters, collectors and celebrities, aided by the Maker, and their moving their market to those with deep pockets, in new cameras, and overpriced lenses and accessories have, together, raised a piece of very good camera to an unwarranted elevated social status, that too many folks that know little or nothing can point out as "Desirable" for raising their own status with.
Adult photographers, that have used these tools, know the reason these cameras were 'famous' within our circle, because of the proven abilities of these cameras as tough, highly competent, pieces of equipment, that have really been through some of the most harsh, long term usage, across wars, jungles, and other impossible places and conditions in this World.
What film cameras, speaking to Barnacks, can take repeated exposure, even submerged, in the sea, mud, and other muck and be put back in action the next day, after a soak in fresh water and a drying out?
Who needs a waterproof plastic case to take a IIIC into the rain, snow or summer heat? No, a Leica.
The "M" bodies, especially the older ones, have a build and reliable function that is near impossible to find in the majority of rangefinders, imo, and true to the original Nicca, 'Tower, Reed, etc cameras can just about match the design, but still fall short in the feel of the functioning.
Prestige is fine for those whom need to be seen, and peer pressure, etc, but I do no live or die on the opinions of others, and any idea of obtaining elevated "social statis" through what I might own, is down right silly, unless, of course, it's the last box of chocolates on the planet.
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What film cameras, speaking to Barnacks, can take repeated exposure, even submerged, in the sea, mud, and other muck and be put back in action the next day, after a soak in fresh water and a drying out?
Second, Eli is looking for a benefactor or patron. Not unusual in the arts at all, like the violin example given above. I would think the best place to find those would be the patrons and fans who have already purchased Eli's artworks- rather than a bunch of gearheads like us.
Calypso/Nikonos
Calypso/Nikonos, possibly also your phone.
The only Leica products I'm aware of which might tolerate this treatment without the need for prompt servicing would be some of the binoculars.
@StepheKoontz He's already turned his nose up at a Zorki. At this point, I just check back on this thread to see where it goes.
Because, imo, hipsters, collectors and celebrities, aided by the Maker, and their moving their market to those with deep pockets, in new cameras, and overpriced lenses and accessories have, together, raised a piece of very good camera to an unwarranted elevated social status, that too many folks that know little or nothing can point out as "Desirable" for raising their own status with.
"the original Nicca, 'Tower, Reed, etc cameras can just about match the design, but still fall short in the feel of the functioning."
Now you are just being elitist. I own a few Nicca/Tower Barnack clones (As well as some Barnack Leicas) and IMHO the Niccas have the EXACT same layout, operate smoother, have a quieter shutter and the Nikkor 50mm f2 is at least as good,m if not better than the same vintage Leica optics. And BTW one reason used Leicas are expensive has nothing to do with hipsters, they were expensive cameras when they were new. The reasoning you have posted sounds very hipster BTW.
I was in Jr. High, and when I saw the chrome Nikkormat, my Cousin was using to take family pictures, I practically fell in love with it,..
Cheers
As I had mentioned earlier, I have SLRs, but even the FG and EM is no close to the same as what I'm looking for, nor is the Canonet QL17, nor the XA2, but thanks for the suggestion.
Be Safe, He Happy and Godspeed, to you, yours and all here.
As I had mentioned earlier, I have SLRs, but even the FG and EM is no close to the same as what I'm looking for, nor is the Canonet QL17, nor the XA2, but thanks for the suggestion.
Be Safe, He Happy and Godspeed, to you, yours and all here.
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