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Our travelwide arrived yesterday.

It was late in the day and heavy rain made the box it came in wet . Still much excitement about opening it up and setting it up, even though it was way after the time to break for the day and go home.

I set up the lens, rangefinder and cable release. I went with the smaller lens for starters as this would not really be a "travel" camera with an SA... Unless i am completely missing something, there is no way to attache a shoulder strap to what is essentially a hand held carry around camera.
Perhaps that is one for the MKII travelwide?

The "sports finder" is something i am having a hard time understanding, both function and use. What is it for? How do you use it? Mine arrived slightly bent, but i put it right, and still, i am not sure what to do with it. I remember a photographing in nature class with a professor who was an RIT graduate turned religious hippie who used to hand out frame mats of various sizes (to correspond to various camera formats) and said things like "here you hold this up, and look, there is your frame on 6X9 can you see it!!??"... clearly, i did not see it then and do not see it now.

The printz rangefinder is one of those things, that is perhaps a generational gap too wide to traverse. I never could use a IIIf leica either despite years of trying. It does work, and does give accurate range, and given it was dirt cheap i am glad to have had it sitting in a box for 2 years while i waited for the camera to use it with.

The "ground glass" looks nice as part of the camera, but is less then functional when trying to focus, forget about seeing what it is you are actually framing. Wide angle, i get it, shoot from the hip, aim in the general direction etc., but then what is the point of that thing...? If you thought the 6.8 was gloomy, wait until i try the F8 SA... Has anyone seen otherwise? please enlighten me.

The overall external finish is something to be marveled at from a far. It looks serious. It looks like a mass made thing. It looks like it is completely natural that this is the way a camera would look. But dont look too close now. The inside of the camera is not quite as certain what it wants to be as the front. There is some flocking. Why? Some of it is not fully adhered to the body, i am sure thats to be expected given the shape of the inside and the nature of flocking which is not really a flexible thing. Still.

I am lucky enough to have a "real" lens wrench, but i doubt every LF shooter has one, or needs one. You need one for this set up, or you need some might small fingers to do up a lens mounting ring on the back side of the helical. This would have been a nice place to have the promised but not delivered lens wrench bottle opener smiley face bookmark gadget, or some kind of new methodology to explain how to do this. I did not delve into the tiny print manual though maybe i missed something there... Ill go again and look tomorrow.

The accessory shoes are tight. This is both a good thing and not so great thing, and i am not sure how this will behave in real hot climate. Pushing things on makes them stay and secure. Pulling them off without breaking anything is another story, but perhaps it will wear in eventually and still work as it should, only time and use can tell.

Then there is the helical. I read many a LFPF thread and KS update posts about this, fitment and other related issues. I am not sure what the deal with all those posts were, because its a tough cookie to turn, though it does move. I can't say for sure i am not doing something wrong, but smooth is not the word i would use to describe the motion of the helical. I like the material the camera is made of like i said above, i do not like the material the helical is made of. I am not worried it will break or something like that, but i wish it was smooth and cool looking like the rest.

I am certainly not sure what or how the two cable release tubes on either side are functional without some serious modification, though i guess with a nice 30cm locking cable release unit they would hold it somewhat out of the way, though that would make using it more complicated then the benefit. So far the shorty cable seems to be easier to work with, though, again, unless you are on a tripod, i am not sure how having a cable release really benefits anything at all.

Overall, this is a cool project, the price point is 100% correct, and I love it, i really do, despite all the above mentioned minor and nitpickey pitfalls, for what it is. You pay for what you get. Pay more, and get a more serious travel wide 4X5 camera with real glass on the back and real view finders. Pay less, and get a 4X5 shooting holga, with a fancy lens and more guessing added to the game. Will i enjoy shooting this? I doubt it. Can this be the next hipster advanced level men only merchandising magazine top 10 things to own before you grow out of it (and move on to the magazine where some point and shoot leica is in the top ten, right after maui jims and speakman shower heads)? Absolutely.

Does this mean i cannot be a hipster even if i carry this around? who knows, but it sure can take one most of the way there, just add some skinny jeans and thick framed glasses (http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Hipster - skip to part #3).

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Interesting, but all in all I'm glad to stick to my speed graphic for this sort of thing -- coupled rangefinder, two shutters, not made of plastic ... you know.

to each his own.
 

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Wait...it doesn't come with the little lens wrench after all??

I won't be able to use mine yet then. It arrived two days ago but I haven't had time to open it. It's almost embarrassing to say but my Tech III I bought as a complete kit including lenses on boards and I don't have a spanner or other tool to remove my 90 Angulon from the Tech III board and put it on my TW.
 

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Wait...it doesn't come with the little lens wrench after all??

I won't be able to use mine yet then. It arrived two days ago but I haven't had time to open it. It's almost embarrassing to say but my Tech III I bought as a complete kit including lenses on boards and I don't have a spanner or other tool to remove my 90 Angulon from the Tech III board and put it on my TW.

Roger, you can order one of those cheap lens spanners found on eBay. I did and they will work good enough to do the job. I found that with my Angulon just turning the jam nut on finger tight would secure the lens enough to reach in with my spanner and tighten it up snug with only a few more degrees of rotation. My lens shows no signs of rotation or slipping. If the back of your Angulon has a location screw, a really tiny screw that fits in a hole on the lens board to align the lens, then remove it before attaching the lens to the TW or the lens will sit cockeyed. I know it will take a couple of weeks for the lens wrench to arrive from China but even if you order from a US vendor it will take a week to arrive and will cost more (but might be better quality).
 

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Yeah, and really I'm still in no hurry to use my TW anyway. Thing is my life has been crazy and I haven't had time or money for photography anyway. That's going to gradually change and get MUCH better after the first of the year. I am getting started on cleaning up the darkroom this week and should get to start developing the big backlog of film I have yet to develop, much less printing from it and others I haven't printed from, and that will keep me busy for the winter. I'll probably have the TW in commission in time for a holiday trip back to TN and maybe shoot some with it on the streets of my small hometown. That's plenty of time.

A lens spanner is something I knew I needed, or would need, and one of those "gotta get me one o'dem one day" items, but since the only LF lenses I have are already on boards for the only LF camera I have, it didn't seem pressing. It's going to be more needed anyway as my Tech III has....issues. Multiple patched pinhols, stripped teeth in the focus rail (I work around that by relocating the front standard to a different area on the track if needed) among them. I mean to replace it next spring anyway with something probably new, Chamonix or Tachihara or the like. So I'd be getting one anyway. Might as well get that now. :smile:
 

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haven't got my TW yet but if you need a ghetto spanner, a piece of wood with two nails hammered through with the appropriate gap should suffice. you can blunt the sharp end if you feel it's necessary
 

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I could do that but I can also just wait until my new stainless steel one gets here from California. :smile:


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Mine arrived in the mailbox on the 28th and I opened it up right away. My initial thought was..."wow, this thing is light!" It is light. Mounting the lens makes it a bit heavier, but also a tad front heavy. One more reason to use the smallest lens you can because anything real large will cause this thing to tip right over.

About mounting the lens. It is a PITA. But it is doable. My SA 90/6.8 has a very small jam ring and the hole on the Travelwide is almost too large. I do have a lens wrench and I am glad that I had it. If you don't have one I recommend buying one.

After the lens was installed I immediately set out to get the focus set. My first observation concerned the tripod mount. It is small. It reminds me of some of my folder cameras where the tripod mount is installed in a raised boss. Result, camera rotates easily around the boss. Travelwide does the same. However, since you will theoretically use the tripod very seldom I wasn't too worried.

Next observation during focus attempts. The ground glass has a hot spot...wow does it have a hot spot! My first attempt to try and get a focus at infinity was totally unsuccessful. Even using my 8x focus monocular was not successful. So I went to my Super Cambo box and dug out my Monocular Ground Glass Hood. (I'm not too sure what the real name is but it allows me to focus the Super Cambo without ducking beneath a dark cloth.) Thank goodness it fit into the ridges of the plastic ground glass insert. With that in place I think I have things focused. I haven't developed the negatives yet but will do that tomorrow. I am hoping that the lens has enough leeway with the aperture stopped down that DOF will cover any focus errors. I'm not too sure I am up to close ups yet but eventually it will happen.

Still on the topic of focus...the helical is tight. So far it hasn't been so tight as to be difficult but it does not really compare with other focus methods.

I threaded an 18" cable release through the hole on the right side and threaded it into the lens. Works great. I installed my Blix rangefinder in the left side accessory shoe. Tight fit. I can forsee cutting these off in the future and mounting metal ones in their place. I then installed the sport finder in the center shoe. After having used it in the field I am not too sure how well I like it. I have used sports finders before and find them useful but am still trying to get comfortable with this one.

Ok, it is all assembled and ready to go. Now came the point of largest disappointment. I cannot use my Grafmatics! This is unacceptable to me for a point and shoot 4x5 camera and will become my first major modification. So, for the time being I loaded up some Fidelity holders with some Arista EDU Ultra 100 film and headed for the hills.

Yesterday was a heavily overcast day and, because I wanted a deep DOF, I closed the aperture down to f22. This meant that my shots were taken between 1 second and 1/8th of a second. Definitely not handheld territory for me. My first two shots were taken resting the camera on a flat rock. My first observation here was that I would not be able to use this camera like I use my folders. The bottom of the camera is not flat and will not rest securely on a flat surface. I suspect that I will want to construct a light platform for the bottom of the camera.

The remaining 4 shots were taken using a monopod. This did work well and the only problem that came up was the rotation of the mount on the top of the monopod. Using a quick release will certainly help stop this but I'm not quite ready to go to that point yet.

The next step is to develop my negatives but I really don't foresee any big problems with this.

Conclusion - This is one of the most exciting cameras I have owned in a long time. It is inexpensive and super simple. I can modify it to fit exactly how I use it. Yet it will provide a large image that can really be enlarged to huge sizes if I want. The first thing I need to do is fix things so I can use my Grafmatics.
 

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I'll be interested to see how you modify to use the Grafmatic. Despite all the "can't use this, can't use that" I've been hearing (here and LFF), the inability to use a multiple exposure 4x5 back is the only thing that is not in keeping with the intended purpose. (Many of the complaints or comments are a bit like "why can't I haul lumber in my Ferrari").

Even so, do I fault the Travelwide for not accommodating an accessory that has been out of production since the 70s? I don't think so.
 

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As far as the Grafmatic goes it looks like you could either shim the spring out or remove it and use rubber bands or Velcro straps to hold the back on.
 

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Using a Grafmatic has a problem: it is mushroom shaped, hanging over on both the sides and the far end. One side and the back could be cut down but the other side would mean taking out part of the accessory shoes. These would mean that it would have to be strapped down as the whole spring system has to go. It would be great to have one on there though.
 

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Dug out my grafmatic to check; after removing the spring it slides in fine but is too long. Doesn't look to be an easy problem to overcome without significant hacking or a loss of infinity focus. It would be easier to hack down a bagmag to fit.
 

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My grafmatics, or at least a couple that I tried, slide into the film slot just fine, but run into the ledge on the left end where the spring is screwed in place. This prevents them from sliding all the way in to place. The solution, as far as I can tell, is to take my dremel to the left hand ledge where the spring screws into place. It doesn't look like too big a job but once done the spring on the back will have to be redesigned if I need to use it again for using the standard film holders.

I'll have to give this a bit of thought. Since I currently have my Minolta SRT partially disassembled right now, and my limited repair skills are already stressed, it will take me awhile to get around to trying this mod. For now I'll just make do with the normal film holders.
 

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I did open mine up and check it out. First impressions very positive overall. I put the sports finder on the center shoe and didn't find it too tight at all, just appropriately snug. Similarly I didn't find the helical too hard to move either. No one would confuse it with a silky smooth SLR lens of the 70s era, but I wouldn't expect to. It moves plenty easily enough, but will not move accidentally.

I am glad I checked and found the helical is marked in meters rather than feet. For some reason I assumed it would be in feet. This isn't the place to get into my rant about how I find metric better for lab work (like in the darkroom) and English better for most everyday things like focus distance, but I almost bought a rangefinder calibrated in feet. Now I'll get one in meters.
 

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I have a Grafmatic but honestly never really liked it that much even on the view camera. I definitely see the appeal though since in this case we will normally be scale focusing anyway and could just leave it in place until the last sheet is shot. But I don't consider using it to be essential.
 

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There are those days when I go out with my monorail Super Cambo and spend half an hour tying it up into knots, and then undoing them. For those days 3 Fidelity film holders and six sheets film are more than enough.

Then there are other days when I haul my Crown Graphic down to the Boy Scout Campout and spend a couple days shooting portraits and candids. On those days I can easily wade through an entire box of HP5+. For those days 6 Grafmatics are not enough.

I had kind of planned on using this Travelwide for the next Boy Scout Hike and Campout in the Rubies. Sometime between today and next summer my Travelwide will learn how to use Grafmatics. :D
 

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I get it. A Graphmatic would seem made-to-order for this camera.

Got mt lens wrench today but way too super busy to use it right now.
 
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I bought a WanderLust Travelwide from an original backer several weeks ago. (It seems that in the two years it took to get it, she changed her mind about shooting large format film.)

Anyway, my thoughts:
Yeah, the lens is a bit tricky to mount but nothing to worry about.
It is very, very light: about a pound and a half, with the lens and a film holder. However, it still has a solid feel to it. Balances okay with the film holder installed.
The "ground glass" is useless.
The helical focus on mine is just about perfect. It's not Nikon smooth but works fine.
The viewfinder is, well, the best I can say is "functional".
I don't mind the distance markings in metric but they are impossibly small to read, especially since they're on the face of the lens mount. I printed out labels to add around the outside of the housing, note that I've turned them toward the photographer. Not pretty but they work. See the picture.
I also ran a length of parachute cord through the holes to form a neck strap.
While I don't normally use a lot of lens movements, I miss them when they're not available.

I tried adding some sample photos that I took but for some reason APUG won't let me add anymore pictures. You can see them on my facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/timothy.klein.338 You may have to scroll down to find them.

Of course, the biggest selling point is the weight. For example, I never would have lugged my Super Graphic (5.5 lbs), halfway around Estes Lake on a walk with my wife; in contrast, I hardly noticed the Travelwide hanging on my shoulder.

On the other hand, I was disappointed with the photo I took with the Travelwide from the Stanley Hotel lobby.One of the issues was that the light weight of the Travelwide fooled me into ignoring the need for a tripod. I could blame the camera but I should have taken the time to unpack the Super Graphic. However, I will blame the viewfinder for less than perfect composition.

(The photo we entered into the contest: http://stanleyhotel.stories.travel/Photo-Explorer?flipto=6PODp3-fb was taken with my digital, I hadn't gotten the film developed.) And yes, this is a cheesy attempt to rally votes.)

I've also taken some shots with a roll film back (I can hear some of you yelling 'heretic'!) I wedged a piece of dense foam under the left end to hold the adapter down tight (the spring clips did okay on the right side). Worked fine and actually balanced rather nicely.

Summary: I like it. For many photographers it will fill the need for a large format camera at a reasonable price. I can see it being especially attractive to pin-hole fans. It's also a cheap way to shoot 6x9 (or 6x6 or 6x7). It can't do everything a "real" field camera can do, but I can take it places that I wouldn't take the "real" camera. Like all tools, the real limitations are in the user.

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time48v:

I see you apparently forego the cable release. Do you experience any issues by tripping the shutter manually?
 

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I tried the cable release configuration. Of the three cable releases I have, only one was the right size to fit the hole. It works, but I find I'm always holding the camera with two hands anyway and tripping the shutter with my right hand is easy. Besides, I find the neck strap essential.
 

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I am really enjoying this camera. IMHO this was a terrific idea and between this camera and my Obscura I am having a blast. Two extremely light, large format, cameras.

Just think, once the Intrepid arrives then there will be three! :D
 

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I'm enjoying mine too. I also forego the cable release. I rotated the lens so the shutter release was at about the 5:00 position (looking at the front of the camera). While I'm holding the camera with my right hand on the right grip and my left hand supporting under the body, it's an easy reach to trip the shutter with a finger from my left hand.
 
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So anyone wants to share some pics of the kind that they probably wouldn't have taken if it weren't for the Wanderlust?
 
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