Unusual Zorki 1 Soviet Leica clone rangefinder camera. Has anyone seen this ever?

[grain elevator]

Why is everyone replying over and over to somebody who is so rude and obviously uninterested in reasoned arguments? This reflects well on the intentions of forum members, but I think the patience is misplaced.

 

[George Mann]

Why is everyone replying over and over to somebody who is so rude and obviously uninterested in reasoned arguments? This reflects well on the intentions of forum members, but I think the patience is misplaced.

Yes, absolutely.

 

[Ian Grant]

Why is everyone replying over and over to somebody who is so rude and obviously uninterested in reasoned arguments? This reflects well on the intentions of forum members, but I think the patience is misplaced.

Because he can't understand very basic facts and his rudeness needs addressing.

First KMZ sold no Zorki 1 cameras at all with flash sync that's a well documented fact, secondly his photo was inadequate it does show a poor unfinished fitting not filed fush, a photo of the rear of the camera would show a potentially neat solution as it's attached under the hot shoe then protrudes out around the side of the shutter speed dial with the male socket. Very neatly done in the example in the link AgX mentions which has photos. In the example here it's poorly finieshed so I assummed cannibalised but after more info we now have the truth.

Thirdle the article/webpage AgX mentions states VERY CLEARLy that this was one of the three most common types of RETRO fitted flash syncs used for the Zorki 1, there are others.

Fourth the OP doesn't seem to accept that for a very short spell after WWII retro fitting of flash sync to earlyer cameras was actually very common, mostly to Leicas and copies and leaf shutters.

The Russian Leica cosmetic fakes are better finished than the flash sync on this camera

Ian

 

[name]

Because he can't understand very basic facts and his rudeness needs addressing.

First KMZ sold no Zorki 1 cameras at all with flash sync that's a well documented fact, secondly his photo was inadequate it does show a poor unfinished fitting not filed fush, a photo of the rear of the camera would show a potentially neat solution as it's attached under the hot shoe then protrudes out around the side of the shutter speed dial with the male socket. Very neatly done in the example in the link AgX mentions which has photos. In the example here it's poorly finieshed so I assummed cannibalised but after more info we now have the truth.

Thirdle the article/webpage AgX mentions states VERY CLEARLy that this was one of the three most common types of RETRO fitted flash syncs used for the Zorki 1, there are others.

Fourth the OP doesn't seem to accept that for a very short spell after WWII retro fitting of flash sync to earlyer cameras was actually very common, mostly to Leicas and copies and leaf shutters.

The Russian Leica cosmetic fakes are better finished than the flash sync on this camera

Ian

On the site page written now:
"Manche Zorki 1 wurden nachträglich mit Blitzanschlüssen versehen, welche an den verschiedensten Orten eingebaut wurden. Hier ein paar Beispiele dafür:
Luxus-Variante: Buchse in eigenem Formteil (unter dem Zubehörschuh befestigt)"

You wrote:
"The article AgX refers to earlier states clearly that some Zorki I cameras were retro fitted with flash sync .."

It is not written there "retro fitted". For what are you lying? For what purpose?

"most common types of RETRO fitted flash syncs"
- most common? Only two copies are known at all - again a lie. For what are you lying? For what purpose?

 

[removed account4]

Manche Zorki 1 wurden nachträglich mit Blitzanschlüssen versehen, welche an den verschiedensten Orten eingebaut wurden. Hier ein paar Beispiele dafür:
Luxus-Variante: Buchse in eigenem Formteil (unter dem Zubehörschuh befestigt)"

I am not a German speaker and to read the German history page I had to use Google, and that specific passage states:
"Some Zorki 1 were retrofitted with lightning connections, which were installed in various places. Here are a few examples:
Luxury variant: socket in its own molded part (attached under the accessory shoe) "

is there a better translation ? does that sentence not mean years later sent to a repair house / shop and pc connections were added or does it specifically translate that the luxury variant came with a pc connection direct from the factory when it was made ?

too bad you don't invite the author of the article to this site to add his opinion into this thread. he seems to be the authority on all things Zorki

 

[Dali]

On the site page written now:
"Manche Zorki 1 wurden nachträglich mit Blitzanschlüssen versehen, welche an den verschiedensten Orten eingebaut wurden. Hier ein paar Beispiele dafür:
Luxus-Variante: Buchse in eigenem Formteil (unter dem Zubehörschuh befestigt)"

You wrote:
"The article AgX refers to earlier states clearly that some Zorki I cameras were retro fitted with flash sync .."

It is not written there "retro fitted".

So, if it is not written "Retro filled", what is the text translated in plain english?

 

[name]

I am not a German speaker and to read the German history page I had to use Google, and that specific passage states:
"Some Zorki 1 were retrofitted with lightning connections, which were installed in various places. Here are a few examples:
Luxury variant: socket in its own molded part (attached under the accessory shoe) "

is there a better translation ? does that sentence not mean years later sent to a repair house / shop and pc connections were added or does it specifically translate that the luxury variant came with a pc connection direct from the factory when it was made ?

too bad you don't invite the author of the article to this site to add his opinion into this thread. he seems to be the authority on all things Zorki

"pc connections" - PC - computer?
Why are you so worried about this old camera? You don't have that. You've never seen one like this. You don't know anything about it. You don't need a camera. You take photographs with chemicals.
Why are you so worried about this old camera? What do you want?

 

[name]

So, if it is not written "Retro filled", what is the text translated in plain english?

additional

 

[Auer]

This is getting old, Ignored.

 

[MattKing]

"pc connections" - PC - computer?

PC = Pronto-Compur - a type of flash connector

 

[removed account4]

"pc connections" - PC - computer?
Why are you so worried about this old camera? You don't have that. You've never seen one like this. You don't know anything about it. You don't need a camera. You take photographs with chemicals.
Why are you so worried about this old camera? What do you want?

To answer your questions

"pc connections" - PC - computer?

PC is the lightening socket / syncro socket

Why are you so worried about this old camera?

Not worried, you can call me Alfred if you want, but I do like a good story. I have a feeling Shaggy Scooby and The Gang showed up in the van.

You don't have that. You've never seen one like this.

I do not currently own a Zorki ( I sold mine), I have an Arax. My cousin had one like your treasure purchased in the 1990s in the FSU: Zorki 1 De-Luxe with topside lightening socket; he probably sold it in the late 1990s /early 2000s: light leaks infant internet, no local repair.

You don't know anything about it.

True, but ... I know people love thinking what own is worth millions ... I have seen TV shows where the "expert" says the treasure is common and barely worth anything, and I have seen when the common $2 yard sale junque is worth a king's ransom.

You don't need a camera. You take photographs with chemicals.

No one needs a camera, and you take photographs with chemicals too, that's what photography is.

What do you want?

I want a lot of things, mostly unobtainable—whirled peas, love, harmony, nothing much really matters.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

I wonder if bots understand the circle of confusion? Nevermind exposure...

 

[macfred]

Not worried, you can call me Alfred if you want, but I do like a good story. I have a feeling Shaggy Scooby and The Gang showed up in the van....

Alfred, you made my day ...

 

[removed account4]

Alfred, you made my day ...
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thanks!

 

[name]

Result: another such camera is known. Only two such cameras are known.

 

[Cholentpot]

You guys are going about this all wrong.

OP,

What you have here is a one of a kind ***tbox Soviet camera that no one else has. I'd recon it's worth about a billion rubles on the black market. I have some blue jeans and a stack of Beatles records if your willing to trade. If I owned it I'd never sell because it is so very rare. So rare that maybe you should send it to a vault in Switzerland as the NKVD and CIA will hunt you down. It may be a relic of an ancient advanced society that once thrived on the steppes of Mongolia. This is the last remaining piece of a once great and mighty empire. Some say that if you align the shutter speed and aperture perfectly on the exact hour of the exact day of the year you will awaken the great Yellow Father who will lead us all to the Great Place where Kodachrome is cheap and plentiful and processing is free.

And we all now say, Amen!

 

[George Mann]

OP,

What you have here is a one of a kind ***tbox Soviet camera that no one else has.

Yes. The Barnack is a terrible camera ergonomically!

 

[removed account4]

Result: another such camera is known. Only two such cameras are known.

excellent !
im stoked you did a little more research .. kind of fun when you realize you have something that there aren't many ..
I have 2 szabad cameras that were made for the US market... they were mass marketed in metric sizes for the Scandinavian market over the years
but only handfuls were sold in imperial sizes.. makes me smile when I hear of someone with one.. hope you enjoy your fun ..

John

 

[Cholentpot]

excellent !
im stoked you did a little more research .. kind of fun when you realize you have something that there aren't many ..
I have 2 szabad cameras that were made for the US market... they were mass marketed in metric sizes for the Scandinavian market over the years
but only handfuls were sold in imperial sizes.. makes me smile when I hear of someone with one.. hope you enjoy your fun ..

John

I have a Crown Graphic that was worked on that has one of a kind modifications done to it. This does not make it rare, it makes it modified.

 

[removed account4]

I have a Crown Graphic that was worked on that has one of a kind modifications done to it. This does not make it rare, it makes it modified.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maybe his isn't a modification but a prototype?
maybe he was in touch with the zorki expert from that website and they fortified his stance?

 

[Cholentpot]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maybe his isn't a modification but a prototype?
maybe he was in touch with the zorki expert from that website and they fortified his stance?

For some reason I think not. That would take effort and stuff.

 

[Ian Grant]

I have a Crown Graphic that was worked on that has one of a kind modifications done to it. This does not make it rare, it makes it modified.

One can I suppose have a rare or unique modification, I have a wide angle pre-Anniversary Speed Graphic that was modified from new, the range finder is calibrated for a 90mm lens (approx) and the base borad fixed, part ot the top cut away to allow rise with a WA lens, That is unique but not any more valuable.

This Zorki 1 is not unique, it's stated categorically on the link AgX mentions that this is particular third party addition of a flash sync is one of the three most common found on the model.

Ian

 

[Cholentpot]

One can I suppose have a rare or unique modification, I have a wide angle pre-Anniversary Speed Graphic that was modified from new, the range finder is calibrated for a 90mm lens (approx) and the base borad fixed, part ot the top cut away to allow rise with a WA lens, That is unique but not any more valuable.

This Zorki 1 is not unique, it's stated categorically on the link AgX mentions that this is particular third party addition of a flash sync is one of the three most common found on the model.

Ian

OP is posting this all over the interwebs. Maybe he wants to set up this camera via auction and make a buck. If so, have at it. I support the grift.

 

[removed account4]

OP is posting this all over the interwebs. Maybe he wants to set up this camera via auction and make a buck. If so, have at it. I support the grift.

maybe it is as rare as he contends im by no means a zorki expert and I don't know if anyone replying to this thread is as much of an expert as the person on the website linked to earlier.
its too bad someone doesn't write him and ask for his expert opinion. ( or maybe the OP already did that and that's why he says there are only 2 that exist )..

what are all the websites the OP is saying these things? .

 

[Ian Grant]

OP is posting this all over the interwebs. Maybe he wants to set up this camera via auction and make a buck. If so, have at it. I support the grift.

Then it needs repeated refuting.

Ian