Unusual Zorki 1 Soviet Leica clone rangefinder camera. Has anyone seen this ever?

[RDW]

It's a bit later isn't it? It has the gap between the lens mount and the covering, but still the 'non-standard' shutter speeds, like a 1(D) with added flash sync.

 

[Ian Grant]

Are you joking? Do you see the letter "C"?
Zorki-C started producing after three years.

I do not have Zorki-C.
I have not written or asked you for any value.

And you are quite correct. I do have a Zorki a Cyrrillic named C (the export name was called a Zorki S) and there's one noticeable difference the rewind disconnect lever has gone from in front of the shuter release button. Yours has that lever as does my Leica IIIa

I'm convinced the flash synch was added much later.

Ian

 

[name]

And you are quite correct. I do have a Zorki a Cyrrillic named C (the export name was called a Zorki S) and there's one noticeable difference the rewind disconnect lever has gone from in front of the shuter release button. Yours has that lever as does my Leica IIIa

I'm convinced the flash synch was added much later.

Ian

".. flash synch was added much later." - No. Not later. Between the hot shoe and the synchronizer is seventy-year-old green metal oxide.
A lot of nonsense has been written here. Zorki C, fat fingers, honesty and more. Can you make a detail like this? Such a tube? Lies.
My question is: "Has anyone seen this ever?"
Answer: No, no one has ever seen this.
This is an honest answer.

 

[awty]

If you were vision impaired in your right eye and could only use your left the position of the flash plug could cause a nasty injury.

 

[George Mann]

Regardless of when the part in question was added, it doesn't appear to be an official stock part.

 

[Ian Grant]

".. flash synch was added much later." - No. Not later. Between the hot shoe and the synchronizer is seventy-year-old green metal oxide.
A lot of nonsense has been written here. Zorki C, fat fingers, honesty and more. Can you make a detail like this? Such a tube? Lies.
My question is: "Has anyone seen this ever?"
Answer: No, no one has ever seen this.
This is an honest answer.

I don't doubt that flash synch is around 60-70 years old, as I said earlier it was very common for flash synch to be added later (here inthe UK) to a wide variety of cameras sold without, it was usually done by trainees in camera repair shops,

It's an odd one as it's easier to add the flash to the front, that seems to indicate it was done with a part from another camera, it's quite a good job but not good enough to have ben done in the KMZ factory unless perhaps as a prototype. The simple question is why the sharp edge protruding back past the hot shoe, a factory engineer would have filed that flush. I use my Leica, FED, or Zorki cameras with my left eye to compose/focus that bit would be dangerous.

Ian

 

[awty]

I don't doubt that flash synch is around 60-70 years old, as I said earlier it was very common for flash synch to be added later (here inthe UK) to a wide variety of cameras sold without, it was usually done by trainees in camera repair shops,

It's an odd one as it's easier to add the flash to the front, that seems to indicate it was done with a part from another camera, it's quite a good job but not good enough to have ben done in the KMZ factory unless perhaps as a prototype. The simple question is why the sharp edge protruding back past the hot shoe, a factory engineer would have filed that flush. I use my Leica, FED, or Zorki cameras with my left eye to compose/focus that bit would be dangerous.

Ian

You would have to wear safety spectacles.

Obviously made by the work experience boy, while the supervisor was sleeping off the morning vodka session.
Who uses a external male socket on their camera?
Should be a shroud.
Like my Leica iiib, have you ever seen a Leica with the flash socket here? Must be worth a squillion dollars to a collector.....and it won't impale an eye ball....and it works.

 

[AgX]

".. flash synch was added much later." - No. Not later.
...A lot of nonsense has been written here. Lies.

Then give us a source that proves that KMZ manufactured this model with the connector in this position and in this casing.

(As I said the sheet metal casing looks industrially made, but it does not show up in the listings of KMZ models I know.)

My question is: "Has anyone seen this ever?"
Answer: No, no one has ever seen this.
This is an honest answer.

As I posted above , exactly this sync connector mounting has been documented. With photo. But not listed as mounted by KMZ.

 

[removed account4]

do you have any photographs made with the camera? and a flash?

years ago I made photographs with a 70 years old camera.
for a client, I was documenting a tank farm at a navy yard .. when he
saw the photographs he said "even the photographs look old from that old camera".
does your Zorki make olde looking photographs?
I have another camera, a box camera from around 1890, and sometimes photographs are made by me with it,
and other times they made by someone else, not what I point the camera to as if it was still being used by the original
owner in some sort of split dimension fuge state. cameras are strange things!

 

[name]

Then give us a source that proves that KMZ manufactured this model with the connector in this position and in this casing.

(As I said the sheet metal casing looks industrially made, but it does not show up in the listings of KMZ models I know.)



As I posted above , exactly this sync connector mounting has been documented. With photo. But not listed as mounted by KMZ.

"As I posted above , exactly this sync connector mounting has been documented. With photo."
- Where? Please show.

 

[name]

do you have any photographs made with the camera? and a flash?

years ago I made photographs with a 70 years old camera.
for a client, I was documenting a tank farm at a navy yard .. when he
saw the photographs he said "even the photographs look old from that old camera".
does your Zorki make olde looking photographs?
I have another camera, a box camera from around 1890, and sometimes photographs are made by me with it,
and other times they made by someone else, not what I point the camera to as if it was still being used by the original
owner in some sort of split dimension fuge state. cameras are strange things!

"do you have any photographs made with the camera? and a flash?"
- No.

 

[AgX]

"As I posted above , exactly this sync connector mounting has been documented. With photo."
- Where? Please show.

It is shown in the Zorki online documentation by Guido Studer.

 

[removed account4]

"do you have any photographs made with the camera? and a flash?"
- No.

are you planning on using it? or are you saving it as a museum piece? I can understand both situations.
I have some rare cameras, but I tend to use them rather than make them sad on the shelf while their friends get used.

 

[name]

It is shown in the Zorki online documentation by Guido Studer.

Many thanks. All clear. I immediately saw that the synchronizer was factory-installed. Assembled from several brass parts and then completely plated with a light metal identical to the entire body.

 

[name]

are you planning on using it? or are you saving it as a museum piece? I can understand both situations.
I have some rare cameras, but I tend to use them rather than make them sad on the shelf while their friends get used.

I checked the shutter and lens. Didn't wipe it off, didn't blow off the dust. The camera has a green metal oxide in several places. I cannot keep this camera for myself. I will sell.

 

[Ian Grant]

Many thanks. All clear. I immediately saw that the synchronizer was factory-installed. Assembled from several brass parts and then completely plated with a light metal identical to the entire body.

While AgX's link is clear it's also different as the sharp bit protuding backwards is filed off flush. Also note it totally confirms what I;ve said from the outset that the flash sync was retro fitted.

Ian

 

[removed account4]

I checked the shutter and lens. Didn't wipe it off, didn't blow off the dust. The camera has a green metal oxide in several places. I cannot keep this camera for myself. I will sell.

EEEK!
I hope you wore cloth gloves, acid from human perspiration ( and I'd be perspiring if I was holding that camera ) can cause more tarnish.
one good thing about covid times is you might have been wearing a mask or one of those plastic face masks so you couldn't breathe on the camera!
good luck selling it to a zorkifan !

 

[name]

While AgX's link is clear it's also different as the sharp bit protuding backwards is filed off flush. Also note it totally confirms what I;ve said from the outset that the flash sync was retro fitted.

Ian

".. part cannibalised from something broken."
- No.

"I'm convinced the flash synch was added much later."
- No.

".. it totally confirms .."
- No.

".. flash sync was retro fitted."
-No.

 

[name]

EEEK!
I hope you wore cloth gloves, acid from human perspiration ( and I'd be perspiring if I was holding that camera ) can cause more tarnish.
one good thing about covid times is you might have been wearing a mask or one of those plastic face masks so you couldn't breathe on the camera!
good luck selling it to a zorkifan !

Black radish helps detoxification when handling toxic chemicals too much.

 

[Auer]

At the end of the day, it's a russian camera.

And that's what it's worth.

 

[George Mann]

"I'm convinced the flash synch was added much later."
- No.

".. flash sync was retro fitted."
-No.

There is no way to confirm it either way.

 

[removed account4]

Black radish helps detoxification when handling toxic chemicals too much.

what do toxic chemicals have to do with your human mitts tarnishing your camera ?
I heard serpent squash does a better job at detoxification than any radish.

 

[Ian Grant]

The article AgX refers to earlier states clearly that some Zorki I cameras were retro fitted with flash sync and shows three different examples, As I've said at least twice before retro fitting with flash sync was very common in camera repair shops in the early 1950s. A friend of my father told me many years ago that his first job after leaving school was in a camera repair shop and all he did was fit flash sync, he wasn't there long.

Ian

 

[name]

The article AgX refers to earlier states clearly that some Zorki I cameras were retro fitted with flash sync and shows three different examples, As I've said at least twice before retro fitting with flash sync was very common in camera repair shops in the early 1950s. A friend of my father told me many years ago that his first job after leaving school was in a camera repair shop and all he did was fit flash sync, he wasn't there long.

Ian

"states clearly .. retro fitted"
- No. Lie. Chutzpah.

Your father's friend didn't make my camera. Chutzpah.

 

[Auer]

Put it on eBay with no reserve and let the market decide how rare and valuable it is.
Write a lenghty description and see if you can get above $50.