Underexposed film

[Marameo]

Hi,

I am posting here since I believe the subject also ha to do with scan.

Do you think most of those pic are underexposed? If they are, there must be ome ND filter since most of them have shallow depth of field. I assume underxposed Portra 400 or 800.

https://www.portraitsofgirls.com/natasja-madsen-by-henrik-purienne/
https://www.portraitsofgirls.com/natasja-madsen-by-henrik-purienne-2/
https://www.in-the-raw.org/archives/18429

Thanks

 

[George Collier]

They look underexposed to me, but these are scans and you could set the scan to look like this from a well exposed neg.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

They look underexposed to me, but these are scans and you could set the scan to look like this from a well exposed neg.

Ditto. This looks like the classic digital film look where the blacks are made to look more like they’re a dark gray because somebody thinks that’s how film looks.

 

[Marameo]

My idea was that milky blacks are the result of the scanner trying to compensate for the lack of data in the underxposed film.

https://www.richardphotolab.com/blog/post/find-your-film-stock-and-exposure-comparisons

 

[Les Sarile]

My experience with Portra 400/800 is that you can go 4 stops underexposed and it won't show the apparent excessive grain as exhibited in some of the pictures. I believe that properly scanned - by not trying to make a dark scene bright, that these could turn out even better then they are.
Do you have control of the scans? Are these done in a minilab? Minilab scans generally over process and try to make a dark scene brighter then it should be due to their automatic settings.

 

[Marameo]

Do you have control of the scans?

I have Pakon scanner. I think its software will try to make a well exposed "print" from any frame.

 

[tnp651]

If you can control the scans, move the black and white points to the ends of the histogram. If the scans are automatic, do the same in Photoshop with the Levels palette.

 

[Marameo]

Is this not underexposed yet shot at noon?

https://media.vogue.fr/photos/5eecb6de850480707b5d819e/2:3/w_1920,c_limit/bordures_PURIENNE.jpg

 

[Marameo]

If you can control the scans, move the black and white points to the ends of the histogram.

I'd rather have the scans "exposed to the left" by decreasing exposure time. Vuescan has "lock exposure" setting which apparently I don't have in the Pakon software.

 

[Les Sarile]

Is this not underexposed yet shot at noon?

https://media.vogue.fr/photos/5eecb6de850480707b5d819e/2:3/w_1920,c_limit/bordures_PURIENNE.jpg

Of course you are talking about a shot that was then translated to mag cover then was scanned. There are many steps from original all of which cannot be accounted for now.

 

[PhilBurton]

I'd rather have the scans "exposed to the left" by decreasing exposure time. Vuescan has "lock exposure" setting which apparently I don't have in the Pakon software.

What is the benefit of this approach?

 

[Marameo]

What is the benefit of this approach?

To underexpose a normal exposed frame without tweaking black point or midtones. I have never tried this before though.

 

[Les Sarile]

To underexpose a normal exposed frame without tweaking black point or midtones. I have never tried this before though.

Just to be sure, "expose to the left" is a practice of digital camera shooters so as not to blow out highlights. Film - particualry most color negatives and b&w, have practically unlimited amount of overexposure tolerance by comparison as shown below.

As you can see, I have overexposed Kodak Portra 400 +10 and with very little effort (white balance and autolevel) render a reasonable result. OTOH digital RAW results are completely unusable by +3 or so. BTW, I've performed this test with more recent models and they've hadly imrpoved on this.

So your scans should be to maximize what you can get from the film. In fact, you could even do an over and under exposure on the film in the scan or in post to achieve all that the frame of film has captured.

For instance, in this single frame of Kodak Portra 400, I could post process shadow and highlights to get more of the shadow or highlight details if I wanted to.

Hopefully your software allows some manual controls or some exposure adjustment. If not you could also do it in post.

 

[Marameo]

How would you achieve this? Just underxpose in camera?

 

[Chan Tran]

How would you achieve this? Just underxpose in camera?

Are you sure it was shot with film? It looks more like noise than grain.

 

[Marameo]

Those are film for sure