Ultrafin Tips?

waffles · Mar 8, 2020

I’ve been thinking of switching from PQ film developers (Ilfosol, Ilfotec, TMax) to MQ film developers (ID-11, D-76.) But I really enjoy the convenience of liquid concentrates. I just recently learned about Tetenal Ultrafin; and I believe it’s correct to say that regular Ultrafin (*not* Ultrafin Plus or Ultrafin T-Plus) is an MQ-based liquid concentrate.

Does anyone else on here use Tetenal Ultrafin to develop slow-to-medium speed film? Is the concentrate a liquid like Rodinal or is it more of a syrup like HC-110? And how do the final results compare to Ilfosol/Ilfotec PQ developers? Thanks!

Tom Kershaw · Mar 9, 2020

Very good quality for slow and medium speed films. Try and use the more dilute options. I've found 1+24 works well.

Doremus Scudder · Mar 9, 2020

waffles said:
... Is the concentrate a liquid like Rodinal or is it more of a syrup like HC-110? And how do the final results compare to Ilfosol/Ilfotec PQ developers? Thanks!

Directions say that Ultrafin is a "universal" developer for black-and-white film. Dilutions range from 1+10 to 1+30.
[Note: I've corrected my earlier error in the interest of not spreading incorrect information - see below.]

It does appear to be an MQ developer from the MSDS.

Doremus

miha · Mar 9, 2020

Doremus Scudder said:
Directions say that Ultrafin is a "universal" developer for both film and paper and that dilutions range from 1+10 to 1+30. I would imagine that the former is for paper.

It does appear to be an MQ developer from the MSDS.

Doremus

It's film only developer. B/W negative developer is written on the bottle.

waffles · Mar 10, 2020

Tom Kershaw said:
Very good quality for slow and medium speed films. Try and use the more dilute options. I've found 1+24 works well.

Do you remember how viscous it is? Is it more like a syrup or a liquid?

Tom Kershaw · Mar 10, 2020

waffles said:
Do you remember how viscous it is? Is it more like a syrup or a liquid?

More of a liquid.

Doremus Scudder · Mar 10, 2020

miha said:
It's film only developer. B/W negative developer is written on the bottle.

Indeed! My mistake. I was misled by the use of the work "universal." Sorry for any confusion.

Doremus

waffles · Mar 17, 2020

Tom Kershaw said:
More of a liquid.

Thanks! What are its keeping properties? Do you use it as a one-shot, or for multiple rolls? There's not too munch information in the Spec Sheet available from Freestyle.

Tom Kershaw · Mar 17, 2020

waffles said:
Thanks! What are its keeping properties? Do you use it as a one-shot, or for multiple rolls? There's not too munch information in the Spec Sheet available from Freestyle.

I still slowly using the bottle opened about 9 months ago. When the solution starts to discolour I'll no longer use it.

macfred · Mar 17, 2020

Tom Kershaw said:
I still slowly using the bottle opened about 9 months ago. When the solution starts to discolour I'll no longer use it.

Ultrafin must be stored in a cool place, it will go bad relatively quickly, if it is yellow, everything is too late. Normally it is transparent with a violet shimmer, discoloration begins with a slightly yellowish tone.

macfred · Mar 17, 2020

waffles said:
... Do you use it as a one-shot, or for multiple rolls?

For me it's a 'one-shot' developer.

macfred · Mar 17, 2020

Ilford ∆400 in Tetenal Ultrafin 1+20

Tom Kershaw · Mar 17, 2020

macfred said:
Ilford ∆400 in Tetenal Ultrafin 1+20

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Good example. I wouldn't use Ultrafin at the stronger dilutions circa 1+10, can do some odd things to the grain levels.

mohmad khatab · Apr 5, 2020

AGFA SW
Deionized or distilled water 700 ml (52 ° C)
Calgon ............................... 0.5
Gram Metol .... ............................. 1
Gram is goofy. Sulfate ........................... 40 g
The headquarters of ................... ................... 6 g of
Sodium carbonate ..................... 21
Container. Or goofy. Bromide ............. 1 gram
Container. Or metabisulfite acids ...... 1.5 grams
Citric acid ........................... 0.5

Gram of water up to 1 liter 4>> 6 minutes @ 18 ° C ( stirring does not stop continuously at 40 rpm )

Tom Kershaw · Jan 17, 2021

macfred said:
Ultrafin must be stored in a cool place, it will go bad relatively quickly, if it is yellow, everything is too late. Normally it is transparent with a violet shimmer, discoloration begins with a slightly yellowish tone.

I have just been sorting through some developers, and note that my container of Ultrafin has become discoloured with the 'yellowish' tone you mention. I will approach with caution.

Tom Kershaw · Jan 19, 2021

After a quick test I can confirm that Ultrafin concentrate is pretty much exhausted at this colour:

AgX · Jan 19, 2021

The problem with Ultrafin is that there had been various compounds offered by Tetenal over the years bearing that name, at least two in parallel, being basically different developers:

Ultrafin und Aktivator , Ultrafin-Flüssig

Ultrafin-Flüssig , Ultrafin

Ultrafin Plus , Ultrafin SF Powder , Ultrafin Liquid

currently
Ultrafin , Ultrafin T-Plus

macfred · Jan 19, 2021

AgX said:
The problem with Ultrafin is that there had been various compounds offered by Tetenal over the years bearing that name, at least two in parallel, being basically different developers:

Ultrafin und Aktivator , Ultrafin-Flüssig

Ultrafin-Flüssig , Ultrafin

Ultrafin Plus , Ultrafin SF Powder , Ultrafin Liquid

currently
Ultrafin , Ultrafin T-Plus

I have two bottles of Ultrafin by Tetenal here - one bottle with 'Ultrafin flüssig' written on it and another with 'Ultrafin Liquid' - it's definitely the same stuff.

AgX · Jan 19, 2021

I did not mean to say, that actually all products were different, but at least those offered in parallel were to my understanding. But thank you for clarifying one case, as I was not even sure for these two seen the designation history.

But for instance Ultrafin Liquid and Ultrafin SF are from different classes of developers.

macfred · Jan 19, 2021

I only used the 'Flüssig' and the 'Liquid' so far - I never tried Ultrafin Plus or the replacement Ultrafin T Plus, which are similar to the TMax developer (Dimezon-Hydrochinon) and are reportted to have a longer shelf life.

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