Tri-X v HP5+ and Tri-X v Delta 400 - The Naked Photographer Comparison Tests

[DREW WILEY]

Whose talking about pixel peepers, Alan? I was responsible for a sizable chunk of a very successful business, and grew it at a rapid pace even in the recession years when all our competitors were starving. I know who spends real money, and who doesn't. In my field, I sold the very best stuff. Period. But well-informed technical information as well as personal networking was key to that. It is also that same network that got me into a few high-end gallery venues quite early. If i didn't have a least a good background truly understanding color and certain pigments and formulations, I wouldn't have caught the attention of serious painters with strong gallery links. But when it came to equipment sales, I didn't have time for "tire kickers" either.

 

[john_s]

It appears that both articles were once linked to in a Photrio thread. The thread is still there dated about 2012 or so but the url has sadly gone as have many useful urls from that time

I cannot find any other link anywhere but others's ability to navigate the internet will no doubt be better than mine

pentaxuser

I have both articles that I put into a single pdf. I didn't see a way to make a pdf a resource here at APUG. I'm not really up to speed with computer stuff (which is why I still develop film and play 12 inch LPs I suppose). I'll have another try. If someone can tell me how to do it that would be good.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

f someone can tell me how to do it that would be good.

What format are the articles in at the moment?

 

[john_s]

What format are the articles in at the moment?

They are a pdf which I "printed to pdf" from the BJP website. I could extract just the text but would lose the images of the BJP which would detract from their authenticity.

 

[Raghu Kuvempunagar]

Has Greg Davis deleted his account/profile? Some resources posted by him are also not available. I hope this is just a glitch or a temporary time away from Photrio and LFP.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

They are a pdf which I "printed to pdf" from the BJP website. I could extract just the text but would lose the images of the BJP which would detract from their authenticity.

If you want to, you could send me the pdf via e-mail and I could work out how to get it up here. tom@tomkershaw.com

 

[pentaxuser]

If you want to, you could send me the pdf via e-mail and I could work out how to get it up here. tom@tomkershaw.com

Great if you can, Tom. It at least sounds as if we are getting there.

pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

Actually I have now found both articles in my Photo Supplies bookmarks but of course when I click on to them it gives me the 404 error so effectively there are gone.

Th lesson here is not to trust a download for this reason as you have no control over it.

So if I may ask for the future, is there an easy way to transfer a download into a permanent "possession" that cannot be removed such as a pdf if its a written article for instance?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Tom Kershaw]

So if I may ask for the future, is there an easy way to transfer a download into a permanent "possession" that cannot be removed such as a pdf if its a written article for instance?

If you have a pdf file, that should be fairly safe on your computer hard disk.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Whose talking about pixel peepers, Alan? I was responsible for a sizable chunk of a very successful business, and grew it at a rapid pace even in the recession years when all our competitors were starving. I know who spends real money, and who doesn't. In my field, I sold the very best stuff. Period. But well-informed technical information as well as personal networking was key to that. It is also that same network that got me into a few high-end gallery venues quite early. If i didn't have a least a good background truly understanding color and certain pigments and formulations, I wouldn't have caught the attention of serious painters with strong gallery links. But when it came to equipment sales, I didn't have time for "tire kickers" either.

If I came across insulting, Drew, I apologize. That wasn't my intention.

The point I was trying to make is that business issues for a pro tend to occupy 90% of the problems with being successful. Getting paid, cash flow, finding good employees, making payroll, finding and keeping customers, paying employee withholding taxes on time, negotiating contracts, dealing with Covid, etc. Sure, you need good equipment and materials and select the best you can afford. You may use your better methods to sell your product. And certainly, you have to keep up with progress in your field. It's just that the incessant arguing about "pixels" or grain we see in forums like this, just does not rise to the same level of importance for people in the business trying to sell photos.

I bet the biggest problems you had were the aforementioned business issues I mentioned. They were for me in the fire alarm service business I was in for twenty years. When I started, I worried I would be faced with a situation where I couldn't fix a fire alarm equipment problem. That never happened. What happened were all the business problems I had to deal with that I never thought of when I started. That's what occupied all my time. It's why I suggest that people getting into the photo business should take sales, marketing, and business courses. That's the part that will make or break their business. The photos will take care of themselves.

 

[faberryman]

Has Greg Davis deleted his account/profile? Some resources posted by him are also not available. I hope this is just a glitch or a temporary time away from Photrio and LTF.

You can still watch Greg Davis's videos on YouTube if you are so inclined. I don't know what LTF is, so I don't know his status there.

 

[pentaxuser]

Has Greg Davis deleted his account/profile? Some resources posted by him are also not available. I hope this is just a glitch or a temporary time away from Photrio and LTF.

I have just tried your links and get what I assume is the same responses as you which are respectively: "User profile is not available" and You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action"

Does anyone know what this means and if Greg has made changes to either his profile or resources?

pentaxuser

 

[radiant]

Mod chat had a thread with title "Greg Davis" so I assume this is not an accident. And considering the feedback he has got here - I would probably leave too

 

[grat]

"Feedback"..? I would say "downright hostility".

Not uncommon around here, sadly.

 

[DMJ]

Sad indeed. He is a photographer, artist and educator and I value his contributions to the art of photography. It is unbelievable to me to see how some members of this forum are constantly trying to push people away from the community.

 

[removed account4]

"Feedback"..? I would say "downright hostility".

Not uncommon around here, sadly.

Sad indeed. He is a photographer, artist and educator and I value his contributions to the art of photography. It is unbelievable to me to see how some members of this forum are constantly trying to push people away from the community.

+1. its really sad

 

[pentaxuser]

Mod chat had a thread with title "Greg Davis" so I assume this is not an accident. And considering the feedback he has got here - I would probably leave too

Is there a section entitled Mod Chat where there is a thread entitled Greg Davis. I have been here for 16 years or so but only use the main forum so I am no expert in knowing my way around Photrio

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Zathras]

Sad indeed. He is a photographer, artist and educator and I value his contributions to the art of photography. It is unbelievable to me to see how some members of this forum are constantly trying to push people away from the community.

Yeah, some of the other posters in this thread were downright shitheads. There was no reason for the hostility that was spewed here.

 

[Zathras]

Is there a section entitled Mod Chat where there is a thread entitled Greg Davis. I have been here for 16 years or so but only use the main forum so I am no expert in knowing my way around Photrio

Thanks

pentaxuser

Apparently, there is a chat room reserved for the moderators use only. I tried to access the discussion, but could not. It looks like this thread really stirred up the pot.

 

[pentaxuser]

Apparently, there is a chat room reserved for the moderators use only. I tried to access the discussion, but could not. It looks like this thread really stirred up the pot.

I can't find any chat room for mod but I am not a mod so I would not have access to it but it must be visible to some as vedostuu has seen it and the thread pertaining to Greg Davis

I try to take a look at Greg's videos anyway outside of Photrio but if he has totally withdrawn then only Photrio loses. I wish I had never started this thread, given the way it went. I have ended up learning a great deal but not of it was worth Greg feeling he had to totally withdraw from Photrio.

pentaxuser

 

[Zathras]

I can't find any chat room for mod but I am not a mod so I would not have access to it but it must be visible to some as vedostuu has seen it and the thread pertaining to Greg Davis

I try to take a look at Greg's videos anyway outside of Photrio but if he has totally withdrawn then only Photrio loses. I wish I had never started this thread, given the way it went. I have ended up learning a great deal but not of it was worth Greg feeling he had to totally withdraw from Photrio.

pentaxuser

I've watched a few of Greg's videos and have found them helpful. I disagree with him on a few minor points, but that's okay,
I appreciate what he's doing and am disgusted by the way he was publicly roasted over the coals by a certain pompous self
appointed "expert" who shall remain unnamed. I think that the Moderators should have a discussion about him in their private
chatroom.

 

[Truzi]

I don't really have an opinion about Greg either way, but some of the posts in this thread were over the top. Certainly people can disagree or point out issues without being so insulting. I can appreciate some of the criticisms of the video in question from a technical aspect, and even though I am no where near that level, I can tell the concerns are valid.

On the other hand, I have found his resources are quite useful to someone at my level of photography, and probably beyond what I will personally achieve. I wish critiques could take this into account.

 

[Zathras]

Photrio needs a new feature: a way for mods to label grumpy retirees with an EQ of a toddler with a bright yellow "man-child" tag right next to "member" or "contributor", so newcomers won't take their insults seriously.

I can't believe we lost Greg Davis, he's been definitely up there in the top 10 contributors to this site, but the salty loudmouth who's never done anything here is still lurking, ready to attack any practicing photographer who triggers his insecurities.

At least Greg still has his youtube channel up. I have caught a few errors that he has made,
but I would have contacted him privately to discuss the issue. There was no need to have him
trashed publicly the way he was here.

 

[pentaxuser]

At least Greg still has his youtube channel up. I have caught a few errors that he has made,
but I would have contacted him privately to discuss the issue. There was no need to have him
trashed publicly the way he was here.

Yes there is no reason why he'd abandon his channel. It would look however as if he has abandoned Photrio and who can blame him. He doesn't need us at all whereas some of us need and can benefit from him. Of course those who do not need him need not be concerned but they have diminished Photrio for the rest of us. Promotion of "the greater good for the greater number" on any forum rests with the forum's management and ownership i.e. the mods and ultimately Sean


pentaxuser

 

[Patrick Robert James]

The point of Greg's videos seemingly were general in nature to serve as a guide. He obviously didn't intend for them to be the last word. I skimmed through them and I found the grain comparisons enlightening. Saves me a lot of grief testing films. For the beginner a lot of his videos are valuable. As far as some of you go, you should just be ashamed, but you won't be. Egotistical idiots. I really think some people should be banned here. I don't even post much anymore because of it. If Greg left that is too bad. No reason for that either. You have to consider the source as they say before you do something rash.

One person in particular shouldn't be allowed here again until he posts a portfolio so we can all see how much of a genius he is. He won't of course. Yaps a lot though. Been reading the bloviating for more than a decade now. Yap yap yap yap.