Gerald Koch said:With Agfa out of business, isn't experimenting with Tri-X in Rodinal akin to "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic". Granted there is still some Rodinal in the pipeline but wouldn't it be better to try Calbe R09 instead since its still being made?
Gerald Koch said:Now looking for the cheapest source for paraminophenol.
derevaun said:About PF's rodinal formula: I noticed they say its shelf life is six months. That's a little shorter than Agfa's Rodinal, which is closer to six decadesAnyway, what's the deal with that?
derevaun said:About PF's rodinal formula: I noticed they say its shelf life is six months. That's a little shorter than Agfa's Rodinal, which is closer to six decadesAnyway, what's the deal with that?
Gerald Koch said:A Rodinal type developer can be made from either p-aminophenol or from the hydrochloride salt. When using the salt you just need to add more sodium or potassium hydroxide. The free base is cheaper and you need less.
The molecular weight of paraminophenol (pap) is 109.10 and that of the hydrochloride salt (pap.HCl) is 145.6. The difference in weight is the weight of the hydrogen chloride.srs5694 said:Interesting. If using the non-hydrochloride version of para-aminophenol is cheaper but results in a chemically equivalent developer once mixed, I wonder why the formulas I've seen (such as this one and the one in Anchell's Darkroom Cookbook) specify the hydrochloride version. How much less hydroxide mixture would you need? (Enough less to justify mixing up a smaller quantity of the hydroxide solution?)
sterioma said:So, let me try go step back to my question: anybody ever done Tri-x + Rodinal stand development with roll films?
pelerin said:Hey,
I can send you small scan if you want to see.
Celac.
Over the weekend I realized that the above statement is a bit misleading since I was speaking only of the pap.HCl. The sentence is better stated as "In the Anchel formula part of the potassium hydroxide is used to make the phenolate and part is used to neutralize the hydrogen chloride in the pap.HCl. The rest is used to convert the potassium metabisulfite to potassium sulfite."Gerald Koch said:One molecular weight (mole) of pap.HCl contains one mole of pap and one mole of HCl (hydrogen chloride). In the Anchel formula half of the potassium hydroxide is used to make the phenolate and the other half is used to neutralize the hydrogen chloride in the pap.HCl. Therefore if you start from the pap free base you would need only half as much potassium hydroxide.
Will stay tuned thenbjorke said:I'm planning to do some TXP and Neopan 400 soon....
bjorke said:
david b said:Ever seen Ralph Gibson's work? That was his combo.
Claire Senft said:I think that in order of rank from the most influential to the lesser influential
the rank may look like this.
1. Film. There is a wide variety of speeds and each with a built in propensity to show certain types of charateristics gradation, film speed, resolution, graininess etc. Of course the task at hand and what you like are very important.
2. Paper I believe is the next most important choice. This choice will be heavily impacted by the choices made in selecting a film. How well do you feel does this paper reproduce the negative being printed?
3. Film developers will give quite a wide variety of speed, graininess, sharpness etc to the film you have chosen. Also important is the degree of development that you apply.
4. The characteristics of the enlarger's light source as to how it responds to the first three items.
4. Paper devloper will also change the look of the print produced.
I am not a user of either Rodinal or Tri-X. I believe that Tri-X, in its different varietie, offers very nice gradation as long as the degree of enlargement is not so high as to cause the user of Tri-X to find fault with the display of sharpness or grain. I think that some photographers much appreciate the display of grain being apparent and rendered with sharpness from using Trix-X developed in Rodinal. Making 16x enlargements from Tri-X negatives developed In Rodinal is not a method to promote smoothness when the print is viewed from close range. Fine grain devlopers are a good prescription for rendering Tri-X with easy to observe mush.
So, the question to ask yourself is: For what I want to accomplish and how I like things to look are either Tri-X, Rodinal or the combination of both my best choice?
bjorke said:Last night I ran a roll of 35mm Tri-X and a roll of 120 HP5+ as a 2.5-hour stand development [...] Initial visual-inpsection impression is that the "normal" range of values would be to shoot the Tri-X at around ISO1600 (2 stops hot).
bjorke said:.
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Initial visual-inpsection impression is that the "normal" range of values would be to shoot the Tri-X at around ISO1600 (2 stops hot). Yeah, they're contrasty. The HP5 didn't seem to gain quite so much in terms of ISO
More as it, err, develops
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