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Now that everyone's starting to get theirs delivered (mine was waiting for me when I got home), I thought we could all compile a compatibility list of lenses and backs from our experiences.

I've already spent an hour playing with mine and trying different things, and what I've found so far with the bits that I had lying around:

Focussing: It's no Takumar nor a Zeiss. But it gets the job done. To be fair, I've used soviet lenses that focussed rougher (like an L39 Industar 55/2.8 that focusses like it was used as an artillery shell).

Focussing screen: Is definitely nothing to write home about. A giant hotspot and hard to see (they already mentioned that in an update, iirc). But the good news is that my Toyo-view focussing hood (monocular, rubber thingy about 15cm deep) fits inside the ridges of the screen when you take the spring-back off and hold the whole thing together with bulldog clips. It makes it a lot easier to see, I'll definitely be using this to calibrate focus, then leaving it all at home and using the Blik rangefinder. I do foresee some smart cookie making 3rd-party / aftermarket focussing screens (even the wanderlust guys themselves might, if their manufacturers ever give them the same as their samples).

Accessory shoes: Are a bit on the tight side, which is better than a bit on the loose side. Digisix and Voigtlander 21mm viewfinder fit perfectly, my Blik rangefinder is very tight, I'm going to dremel its shoe a bit thinner. Ironically, the metal 'sports-finders' included are also too tight for me to risk pushing them in fully. Any 3 of those 4 fit side-by-side nicely (with the blik on the far left, obviously), very close but not touching each other.

Pinwide: Looks like it'll get the job done. Pulling the rubber cap off as a shutter might wobble the camera a bit, but it's a pinhole so won't show up on the photo. I'm not sure because they're not labelled (and I presume that i got one per camera, not 2 per one camera), so they're the same pinhole for both 65mm and 90mm?

Lenses:
65mm f/8 Super Angulon in Synchro Compur 00 - fits of course. Converting the camera from the 90mm helical to the 65mm plate was damned fiddly, tiny screws, and this from someone who's spent half their working life soldering things under a microscope. It's done, and I'm glad I'm never going to do it again. That lens may as well be glued there now.

90mm f/6.8 Angulon in Synchro Compur 0 - fits of course.
90mm f/8 Super Angulon in Prontor-Press 1 - fits of course.

90m f/5.6 Fujinon SWD - DOES NOT FIT. I already asked the guys and they said no, but I checked anyway. With some dremelling out of the rear of the helicoid (and maybe sacrificing some close-focus) it might fit, but I'm not going to try.

105mm f/3.5 Xenar in Synchro Compur P 0 - fits, gets to infinity focus at about the point that the scale for 90mm lenses says '0.7', and gets as close as about 2m where the helicoid stops. I might try shimming this or something for a nice headshot 6x7 or 6x9 point-n-shoot camera (the lens itself barely covers 4x5).

135mm f/5.6 Nikkor-W: Doesn't even get to infinity. If I'm bored one day I might adapt a tele-lensboard.

Backs:
Regular double-darkslide film backs work, obviously. Even on my Riteway holders with the darkslide-locking tabs, the darkslides slide out nicely.

Polaroid 545i: They said it would fit, but mine just slightly doesn't. There's a bit on the holder that needs dremelling off. Must take the spring back off first to use it.

Polaroid 545 (metal): They said it wouldn't fit, but it almost does, needs as much dremelling in the same spot as the 545i.

Kodak readyload holder: Fits with the spring back off.

Fuji quickload holder: I swear I had one but can't find it.

Calumet 6x7 slide-in holder (the one with both spools on the right): fits with the spring back off.

Graflex '23' Graphic (6x9): fits with the spring back on.

Graflex RH50 for 70mm film: DOES NOT FIT. It's just too huge. Too bad, I was hoping to use this for a full day hiking with a few meters of film.

Graflex Model 2 Graphic for film packs (which some people adapt for wet plate): Almost fits, but the hinge stops it going in the full way. It should fit if I dremelled off the locking ridge (and risked lightleaks etc), which I might do.

Polaroid pack-film holder for FP100/3000B (I forget the exact number, it's not even written on it, maybe on the inside but there's film in there atm): DOES NOT FIT. The darkslide comes out the other end which is all solid. If you put a pack in, pulled the darkslide and *then* mounted it on the camera, it might fit. I'll try it in the darkroom one day.

Da-Yi 617 groundglass back and film holders: DO NOT FIT (which I'm kinda bummed about). They hit the left end and sit slanted ~5mm away (as in, rear swing). Would fit if I dremelled a notch in the left end of the travelwide body. If someone doens't like their travelwide and wants to sell it, I might buy another and try it. Even slanted, it focusses with my 150mm f/9 G-Claron, and hacking another $100 of plastic is a lot cheaper than the ShenHao PT617 field-cam I want one day.

Other than that, they're definitely worth the $100 I paid each.

Who else has tried what other backs/holders/etc?
 

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Glad yours arrived, Doc. Mine's not here yet. It sounds like you have a little dremelling to do. ;-)

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Glad yours arrived, Doc. Mine's not here yet. It sounds like you have a little dremelling to do. ;-)

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Yeah, not the best thing getting a new toy when my Masters Thesis Proposal Report is due in a week, a test on Monday, an assignment the week after, and 2 exams the week after that. But something to look forward to playing with when it's all done. If yours was shipped in the first batch you should get it this week.

Another thing I've just noticed, if you take the helicoid completely off/apart, you can unscrew it and remount it backwards. It'll probably fit a 65mm f/8 SA, but be nearly impossible to get fingers in to set shutter speeds etc. But you can still probably use it as a 'zoom' pinhole, maybe get it as wide as a 30-50mm focal length?
 

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Doc, stop playing with the Travelwide and get back onto the report, test, assignment and exams. Then go back to the camera. I'm talking from experience.

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All the USA backers are still waiting for them to start shipping. So, it is good to hear first impressions. I have a few DDS holders and only the 6.8 Angulon so application of other backs is not an issue for me personally. In fact, due to present monatary constraints I'll probably load photo paper only into my holders for the first tryout. (When and if it ever arrives )
 

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Mine's been sitting on the dining room table since Tuesday, taunting me to stop doing work and come and play. So far I've mounted the 90mm f/6.8 Angulon and Blik rangefinder I've been hoarding for the last 22 months. I agree with the Doctor's comments. My rangefinder needs some serious calibration... The RH50 not fitting is a real shame, but I'm looking forward so much to calibrating the lens and going snapping...

Marc!
 

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Got mine yesterday, mounted up a Fujinon 90/8 SW and took one paper neg, then a flash assisted film neg.

My impressions
- I'll be using the focusing screen as a rear lens cap when transporting. The rear elements of my lens fill the cone area and makes it quite difficult to remove the lens cap (I had left it on when screwing the rear group onto the shutter)
- since the instruction sheet highlights not to do anything up to tight, I didn't, but I need to tighten it more as the whole lens spins in the mount... not great when trying to cock the shutter!
- no instructions on how the finder works? I think I'm supposed to move my eye in close enough so the two frame form one... any clues appreciated.
- I had two cable releases in a box, but unfortunately the longest has a broken thread and wouldn't screw into the lens shutter release, and the other was to short to go through the holes in the camera and reach so I'll be buying a new cable release to suit.
- I've got an old hammerhead style flash (Agfa) that I thought might use but it doesn't quite fit. A Metz would be fine I think.

Looking forward to having more of a play either tonight or on the weekend!
 
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An update on the Polaroid back:
Yes, it does work, like I thought, but you have to pull the darkslide BEFORE it'll mount to the camera.
If you start off with a fresh pack and shoot the whole lot, that's easy. Just load and mount, pull the first tab and start shooting.
Starting or finishing halfway through a pack is harder, mount to the camera in the darkroom (I don't think a regular-sized darkbag would be big enough) with the darkslide pulled (and don't forget to close the preview on the lens first too).

As for cable releases, I've got a 25cm semi-rigid thing (ie, it springs back to straight), and it's barely just long enough to reach my 65mm f/8 Super Angulon through the right 'grip tube'.
I don't think it'd reach a 90mm, especially not once you start focussing.
For anyone buying a cheap one off fleabay, I'd say 30cm / 12" for a 65mm, maybe 35-40cm / 14-16" for a 90mm with focussing (longer if your lens screw doesn't point towards the bottom of the grip).

Speaking of 90mm, I just calibrated the focus on my Super Angulon, and wow it was off, severely.
The lens elements were 'Technika' marked, originally in a Compur Electronic 1 that met with an unfortunate (there was a url link here which no longer exists).
I found someone selling a Prontor Press (older-style, silver top, 10 blades) with the front-element of another 90mm SA, and mounted the old elements in that.
Hadn't used it on my monorail seeing as I scored a Fujinon 90mm SWD after the accident and use that.
After calibrating, infinity focus is where the helical is out by about 1cm, where the 'flat' part of the Travelwide focus points to about '0.9'. MFD is 1.1m, that's where it stops turning.
I'm not sure if the Prontor Press is particularly 'sunk' more than other shutters or what, but all the shims I have won't fix it (the thread on the lens will run out well beforehand too).
Not that I'll want to shoot macro with this anyway, but it's a bit weird being so far out.

That said, it still works fine, here's a Fujiroid of my chicken, guessed scale focus around 1.5m, 1/30s, f/8:

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(meanwhile, damn. I can't edit the first post and put the Polaroid back info in that)
 

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Here's my 1st 2 images...

Test_001 is a Foma RC, exposure was 4mins at f11. Underexposed.
Test_002 is J&C 400 with electronic flash, 1/60th @ f11, Underexposed & under-developed


Just did another flash exposure (using another flash) but it's also underexposed & under-developed (using HC110 replenisher of unknown vintage that usually develops anything!). Film in holder must have been there for years as it was TXP320 and I haven't used that in years.

For the Melb crew, we'll have to organise a get-together at some stage...
 

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Calibrating the scale for my 105mm f/3.5 Xenar, using my Toyo viewfinder hood (seriously, everyone should get one of these or you really can't see the focussing screen):
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(sorry for the crappy ipood pics).

The scale at 105mm is necessarily different to the injection-moulded 90mm scale, hence the yellow stickers. There's a fair bit of leeway on the focussing screen, maybe 10cm where I can't tell exactly where focus is. It's also calibrated to the numbers on my Blik, which may or may not have any correlation to a tape measure.
Also, I put markings on my ground-plastic to show an FP100/3000 framesize, and on my zoomfinder it's almost exactly a 35mm frame.
Once I figure out how to get the last few shots of FP100 out of my polaroid back, and swap it with however many shots of FP3000B are in my M645AF polaroid back, I'm taking this thing to a poetry gig tonight to see how well it works as a point'n'shoot Fujiroid camera.
 

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Things learned tonight:
a) Yes, you can get rather good shots with a wide-open 105mm f/3.5 Xenar on FP3000B at 1/25s in a dimly lit pub.
b) Travelwide makes a really good point'n'shoot with said Xenar.
c) Damn, expired FP3000B goes ultra-low contrast, but the blacks in the next pack (from 2013-09) were a lot better.
d) I'm going to be even more upset when I'm out of FP3000B, only 4 packs left.
e) you get really really weird looks when you spread them all out to dry on the table in the pub...
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Now all I gotta do is figure out how to get enlargable negs out of them. I left my favourite shot of Brian the bartender up on the wall of the Coffee Pot (if any Adelaideans want to go see my handiwork or get cheap beers), but I'd like to enlarge it if I can...
 

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Mine arrived this morning. Now I'm excited about the Travelwide again, especially as I just realised yesterday that my Angulon 90mm is the one they designed it around.
 

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Kevin, good to hear yours arrived... someone somewhere will no doubt have there's eaten by a postal system!
 
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...especially as I just realised yesterday that my Angulon 90mm is the one they designed it around.

Wasn't that fact like the first sentence in the Kickstarter description? :smile:
 

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Hi, I have put my name on the Travelwide mailing list, which I realize may take a long time...however I am wondering in the meantime if any of you think the Travelwide would accommodate a 6x12 roll film back such as the Gaoersi? I'm most interested in using it for that purpose. Thanks
 

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Thanks a lot. There's some discussion of the 6x12 possible problems, maybe it's best to wait for more clarification on the question.

It will probably be highly dependent on the brand/model of back. Like I've tried the Graphic 23 6x9 back and it fits fine, but the 'model 2' film pack adapter has a hinge that overhangs the flange by about 1mm. a 6x12 adapter will necessarily be wider than a 6x9 so it might overhang slightly.
Basically, what you want to look at is the flange, does anything overhang it in any direction?

Looking at this photo, it looks like the Horseman 6x12 will overhang the end by 1mm or so.
Just like the filmpack adaptor, it will still mount but it won't go the full way in, so the ridge near the darkslide won't sit properly. If you dremel the ridge off the back, it'll be fine. But then it'll be slightly loose using it on a regular camera.

This photo of a DaYi 6x12 back looks like it'll be fine, nothing overhanging the flange (at least in the 1cm nearest the film plane).

Can't find any photos of Gaoersi to look at, unfortunately.
 

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Okay, mine finally arrived yesterday. I mounted my Schneider Angulon f 6.8 90mm lens and calibrated the focus. Loaded five sheets of Acros 100 and took four photos of our boys yesterday. Then this morning I tried out the pinhole and took one sheet of Acros 100 and one sheet of HP5 Plus.

I've just developed all six sheets in my Combiplan tank and they are looking quite good. The photos taken with the Angulon look great. Once they dry I'll check focus - I used a range of f-stops. The pinholes look quite overexposed. I exposed both for approximately 30 seconds.

I will report back when I've inspected the dry negatives, but at this stage I am very pleased.
 

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Looking at this photo, it looks like the Horseman 6x12 will overhang the end by 1mm or so.
Just like the filmpack adaptor, it will still mount but it won't go the full way in, so the ridge near the darkslide won't sit properly. If you dremel the ridge off the back, it'll be fine. But then it'll be slightly loose using it on a regular camera.

This photo of a DaYi 6x12 back looks like it'll be fine, nothing overhanging the flange (at least in the 1cm nearest the film plane).

Can't find any photos of Gaoersi to look at, unfortunately.

Thanks very much! I will keep an eye out...
 

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Wasn't that fact like the first sentence in the Kickstarter description? :smile:

Well, yes, it was, but I already had a 90mm lens and for some reason I thought I had an incompatible lens and I may need to find another one better suited to the Travelwide. It was only when I checked again a few days ago that I realised that I actually already owned the recommended lens.
 
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