TMAX400 120 watermark defect - current status?

[Andrew O'Neill]

Yup. Agreed.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Ignore list.

 

[BrianShaw]

So is anyone going to apologize to RattyMouse for besmirching his name?

 

[Sal Santamaura]

So is anyone going to apologize to RattyMouse...

Nope. He's owed no apology.

...for besmirching his name?

Impossible. He besmirched it himself a loooong time ago. Here and at other forums.

 

[BrianShaw]

Tough crowd here....

 

[removedacct1]

Tough crowd here....

This is news to you??! LOL

 

[BrianShaw]

This is news to you??! LOL

Like.

 

[Photo Engineer]

YAAL joined us in 2010 but just recently went directly to the thread he needed for posting. This problem has been known for several years. It is a shame that he did not check the literature for possible problems, and a shame that he, a professional, did not hear of this problem in advance.

PE

 

[railwayman3]

Mr. Yaal Herman is an Israeli photographer whose anger and vengeful attitude towards this OLD Kodak product problem is in plain view on his site (https://panorama.yaalherman.com/en/kodak-tmax-defective-film/). I think it is telling that his first act as a Photrio member is to encourage others in the community to join in his attack on Kodak. I'd call that very poor form, at the very least.

Agreed. Time to move on.....a problem has happened, it has been well publicised, users have learned a lesson (double check everything before important assignments), and no doubt Kodak has learned a lesson too. If this guy chooses not to trust Kodak anymore, at least there are still other choices of materials....attacking Kodak would cost a lot of time and money and, if their product liability exclusions were legally invalid, I'm sure that these would have been tested in court years ago.

 

[Craig]

I was on that PM too, I have no idea why. I've only shot one roll of T Max in that time and it was fine. My combination of choice is Delta 100 in Xtol anyway, I'm not a fan of Tmax.

 

[mshchem]

I trust Kodak when they say it's fixed. I've bought a lot of TMY-2 . Filled my free freezer space. I love the stuff. I got lucky. Never had a problem. I try to support the companies that make these kind of products. The liability limit has always been stated on the carton. The same was true when Kodak developed film. Stuff happens. Kodak made it as right as could be.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...The liability limit has always been stated on the carton...

Since at least since my first rolls of 620 Verichrome Pan in a Brownie around 1960. Ron probably knows how many decades it was there before that. Failure to perform due diligence is neither an emergency nor the basis for a class action.

 

[MattKing]

Ron probably knows how many decades it was there before that.

I don't think Ron is quite that old.
The faith shown here in the effectiveness of the liability limit language on the box may be somewhat "generous". You probably don't want to go down the "rabbit hole" of a review of the US case law.

 

[mshchem]

Hey I'm not going to get into a legal discussion. I have enough problems trying to reset my microwave clock for daylight savings time

 

[Sirius Glass]

So is anyone going to apologize to RattyMouse for besmirching his name?

Nope. He's owed no apology. Impossible. He besmirched it himself a loooong time ago. Here and at other forums.

I am with Sal on this.

 

[Sirius Glass]

If I remember correctly Kodak was the first photographic company, glass plates and film, to back up their products long, long before any other company did.

 

[MattKing]

So is anyone going to apologize to RattyMouse for besmirching his name?

The irony is that RattyMouse had a totally valid reason to be upset.
It was the litany of his over-the-top responses that drew so much dislike.

 

[Photo Engineer]

I don't think Ron is quite that old.

Yes I am!

PE

 

[pentaxuser]

Yes I am!

PE

So on my next visit to Rochester, am I looking for somebody that looks like Gabby Hayes. The great thing about Gabby was that while he looked old at 30 he looked no older at 100 and that's not true of most of us

pentaxuser

 

[Photo Engineer]

Yeah, but I shaved my beard off two years ago.



PE

 

[BrianShaw]

Yeah, but I shaved my beard off two years ago.



PE

Is that when you started using a digital camera?

 

[Photo Engineer]

No, I got one of those about 15 years ago. A Nikon to match the rest of my 35mm gear.

PE

 

[AgX]

YAAL joined us in 2010 but just recently went directly to the thread he needed for posting. This problem has been known for several years. It is a shame that he did not check the literature for possible problems, and a shame that he, a professional, did not hear of this problem in advance.

Should it not be sufficient to check the Kodak Alaris site or any leaflet (some may remember leaflets in film boxes...) ?
In any case they veiled the issue.

Spreading lists of affected batches and comments on the issue via the grape vine is no buyer information to my understanding.

 

[removed account4]

YAAL joined us in 2010 but just recently went directly to the thread he needed for posting. This problem has been known for several years. It is a shame that he did not check the literature for possible problems, and a shame that he, a professional, did not hear of this problem in advance.

PE

Unless one is online and in touch with Photography Message Boards / Facebook &c there is not a lot of information on the problem. Makes me wonder if stores tell their customers. One of the problems yaal had was that his replacement film was also bad. Its enough to make anybody kind of cranky

 

[Photo Engineer]

But do we know who checked what for information? We just don't know. That is the problem.

PE