I agree with Mr. R.Gould in that Kodak should have made an announcement and not just trough John Sexton, directly or indirectly. I'd like to also know if Kodak recalled said lot numbers from all retailers shelves? Maybe we'll never know, but I'm asking my local retailer the next time I go to buy film and then I'll form my own opinion on this matter.
John Sexton logged on here to post what he found. It was out of fairness to the broad community of film users that was the reason he did this, not because he wants to drive a knife through the heart of Kodak Alaris. He would not do that, he depends on the products like many of us do.
Yeap, my local Boots had them in stock on Sunday.I got HP5+ 120 in my local pharmacy, am I going to mail order?
The problem I see at this time is the remaining stock still on shelves at those who sell Kodak 120 film.
Discussing the cause of the problem, at this stage, is probably moot. It happened, it got recognized, the problem was admitted to. Now we will see how quickly the bad film will flush through the dealer system... I'm glad I switched to Ilford HP5+, even though I find TMY-2 a superior film.
I apologise for offending but 'Ratty' OP's was months ago, and Kodaks response ok then.Again, yes, the situation with these products has arrived at a critical stage in terms of how much more of this possibly suspect product could be sold and used by unsuspecting customers from here on out. So it really is go time for Kodak to make a PR move. John Sexton is a friend of mine and I know for a fact
Are you privy to the agreement(s) between Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris? If not, you can't know whether Kodak Alaris has the right to source film elsewhere and market it using the Kodak brand, now or at some point in the future. I don't think anyone outside those two companies will know unless and until film that carries a "made in" statement which reveals some other manufacturing location shows up in the distribution chain....Its not as if Kodak Alaris can go elsewhere to buy Kodak film.
Are you privy to the agreement(s) between Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris? If not, you can't know whether Kodak Alaris has the right to source film elsewhere and market it using the Kodak brand, now or at some point in the future. I don't think anyone outside those two companies will know unless and until film that carries a "made in" statement which reveals some other manufacturing location shows up in the distribution chain.
Thanks Sal - my post was worded poorly.Are you privy to the agreement(s) between Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris? If not, you can't know whether Kodak Alaris has the right to source film elsewhere and market it using the Kodak brand, now or at some point in the future. I don't think anyone outside those two companies will know unless and until film that carries a "made in" statement which reveals some other manufacturing location shows up in the distribution chain.
More likely film coated to specifications by Inovscoat (sp??) or Harman.It would be a shock of epic proportions if Alaris started rebranding Ilford or Fujifilm film, dont you think?
Not in the least. Or product from any other makers of film. Of course, "rebranding" wouldn't apply to or be possible for many HARMAN-sourced products, since by policy it doesn't do that with Ilford-brand materials.It would be a shock of epic proportions if Alaris started rebranding Ilford or Fujifilm film, dont you think?
More likely film coated to specifications by Inovscoat (sp??) or Harman.
At least with respect to Black and White.
More likely film coated to specifications by Inovscoat (sp??) or Harman.
At least with respect to Black and White.
As we've heard countless times, moving film formulations from one factory to another, even within the same company, does not result in the same product.
Alaris are not a normal reseller in that they don't pay a normal rate for Kodak film, the arrangement is part of a chapter 11 exit horse trade. If Eastman stops making then Alaris stop selling unless they were offered similarly advantageous rates?Are you privy to the agreement(s) between Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris? If not, you can't know whether Kodak Alaris has the right to source film elsewhere and market it using the Kodak brand, now or at some point in the future. I don't think anyone outside those two companies will know unless and until film that carries a "made in" statement which reveals some other manufacturing location shows up in the distribution chain.
The issue appears to have been solved by Ilford and Foma and I feel certain that Kodak will also solve the problem, I have never personally seen this on either Foma or Ilford, although Foma appears to have changed their backing paper around a year to 18 months ago, perhaps in the end that will be the answer, and it seems to be only certain batches that are affected, so to early to talk of losing 120, that would be hard fot me as most of my cameras are old and 120.seems like it might be time to either move up or down in format seeing worldwide there is an issue with 12o film !
The issue appears to have been solved by Ilford and Foma and I feel certain that Kodak will also solve the problem, I have never personally seen this on either Foma or Ilford, although Foma appears to have changed their backing paper around a year to 18 months ago, perhaps in the end that will be the answer, and it seems to be only certain batches that are affected, so to early to talk of losing 120, that would be hard fot me as most of my cameras are old and 120.
. As was suggested, I emailed Mr. Mooney at Kodak Alaris giving him the batch number of my T-MAX 400 film. He replied within a half hour stating that be would send me replacment film. Possible crisis averted because I read this thread before using the film!
I've had it happen to me once with Ilford film, but never with Fuji film, despite shooting 10 times more film from Fuji than Kodak or Ilford.
Statically speaking, for me, Fujifilm is the safest to use.
Alaris are not a normal reseller in that they don't pay a normal rate for Kodak film, the arrangement is part of a chapter 11 exit horse trade...
Without knowing specifics of the agreement(s), it's impossible to tell whether Alaris would exit the film market or sell film(s) sourced elsewhere....If Eastman stops making then Alaris stop selling unless they were offered similarly advantageous rates?...
Yes, they could be, as long as an extant supplier was willing to sell product to Alaris for marketing under the Kodak brand name and the agreement(s) with Eastman Kodak give Alaris a right to use the brand that way....If Alaris (or someone else) has rights to the film names then Tmax could be reborn the same way as APX400 and 100 were reborn...
Unlikely seems like an understatement. Harrow is shutting down paper production. Purchasing film from a supplier other than Eastman Kodak makes much more sense than attempting to re-start film production there....eg Harrow in UK(Kodak) used to coat Tri-x before 2004 I think, but born again seems unlikely.
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