Think Of A Mamiya RB67

[paul ron]

Dear Paul Ron,

The Mamiya RB67 (all models) use a centrifugal governor that mechanically limits the speed of the mirror while it's raising. It is not a myth. I've serviced my RB67 myself and i've seen the magical mirror governor in action. It is also mentioned in the user manual and service manual.

This reduces mirror shock greatly. I can confidently shoot at 1/15th with the RB, i even have some prints that were at 1/8 that came out just fine.

im no talking about mirror shock, im reminding the user to avoid blur when hand holding by not moving too soon after firing the camera.

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[MattKing]

im no talking about mirror shock, im reminding the user to avoid blur when hand holding by not moving too soon after firing the camera.

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Actually, this is good advice for all cameras. Serenity at the time of shutter release (and before and after) pays great benefits.

 

[Sirius Glass]

LOL

Sirius, people like you make this forum great. Please, never die!

I do not have any plans to die.

 

[Sirius Glass]

im no talking about mirror shock, im reminding the user to avoid blur when hand holding by not moving too soon after firing the camera.

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I have the PME 45 degree prism which rests against my eye so the camera is quiet stable not like the RB67.

 

[paul ron]

any camera held properly can be solid as a rock... whats the point of this thread again?

 

[Sirius Glass]

any camera held properly can be solid as a rock... whats the point of this thread again?

The OP is asking us to justify buying a MF camera that is larger, heavier, and less reliable than a Hasselblad, after his wife said no.

 

[paul ron]

oooooooo and when was the last time you listened to your wife?

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I have not been able to find in this thread a wife-rejection (*) of a camera purchase.


(*) is there an English adjective that means "wife related" in the same manner that "maternal" means "mother related"?

 

[abruzzi]

(*) is there an English adjective that means "wife related" in the same manner that "maternal" means "mother related"?

You will usually hear the term "domestic" used in that context. If someone has a "domestic" problem, it is a problem with their wife (or husband). "Domestic bliss" means happily married. And no, I don't think there was any reference to pleasing a wife, though the first post did mention not wanting to spend too much money. Maybe someone assume that no one would choose that course of action on their own.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I've also heard "spousal", but that can be either husband or wife.

Maybe it's just universally understood that wives are the final arbiter of male acquisitions.

 

[flavio81]

The OP is asking us to justify buying a MF camera that is larger, heavier, and less reliable than a Hasselblad, after his wife said no.

less reliable?

It's you the hassy guys the ones who have to look up on the internet any of the dozen tutorials on how to to unjam 500-series camera bodies...

... and the only ones who need to buy a special tool to recock the lenses manually if they somehow are outside the body and uncocked.
(Something a RB67 users can do in an extremely simple way by using their fingers).

Not to mention tutorials for removing stuck lenses...

The RB67 was intentionally designed to work out in the field at diverse conditions and climates. The fact that it's japanese, doesn't have "ZEISS" on the lenses, and currently sells for cheap doesn't make it an inferior product to the Hasselbads. If anyrhing, they're intrinsically better designed.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

...
The RB67 was intentionally designed to work out in the field at diverse conditions and climates.
...

Agreed. Just like MiG-29 is superior aircraft for the same reasons.

 

[paul ron]

i say buy the RB. they are selling cheap, its built like a russian tank and if he's unhappy with it, sell it for what he paid n buy something else.

hey sirius.... you're just a flame thrower. a better camera for 6x6 would be a yashicamat. cheap, light and the lens is very sharp.

 

[removed account4]

Springs for the most part can be stored in either tension or relaxed mode.

thats exactly what steve grimes used to say

 

[removed account4]

less reliable?

It's you the hassy guys the ones who have to look up on the internet any of the dozen tutorials on how to to unjam 500-series camera bodies...

... and the only ones who need to buy a special tool to recock the lenses manually if they somehow are outside the body and uncocked.
(Something a RB67 users can do in an extremely simple way by using their fingers).

Not to mention tutorials for removing stuck lenses...

The RB67 was intentionally designed to work out in the field at diverse conditions and climates. The fact that it's japanese, doesn't have "ZEISS" on the lenses, and currently sells for cheap doesn't make it an inferior product to the Hasselbads. If anyrhing, they're intrinsically better designed.

flavio81
some people just like what they like. it might be a camera that others think is inferior or superior
it might be something that costs less or more in the end none of it matters if he or she uses it and
has a good time. i personally wouldn't buy a hasselhoff cause id rather not have to change my personality
to suit the camera ( cause its probably better than i will ever be ) or tell every person in on the street
how great the camera is and they would be much better a photographer if they got one too. maybe its true
if we all shot with a hasselhoff we'd all be great? i'd rather be not great and have a good time with
what ever piece of dumpster junk i happen to be using. it keeps me on my toes not knowing what will stop working next.

btw OP you bought the wrong camera, you should have gotten an ebony.

 

[film_man]

I have the PME 45 degree prism which rests against my eye so the camera is quiet stable not like the RB67.

Next time you're doing acrobatics with the PME and that Hasselblad to get good shots at 1/30 think about trying a roll with an RB/RZ. So smooth in operation that 1/15 is done handheld every shot every time and with a bit of care 1/8 is not that tricky. In fact you should try handling one just to learn what a proper smooth camera feels like.

You know this Hasselblad obsession would be funny if it wasn't for the spamming of every thread about the true religion of Hasselblad and the misinformation against other cameras. You don't have to like other cameras and you don't have to buy them but spreading "horse manure" as you like to say about things you don't know is not right.

 

[btaylor]

In case anyone considering an RB/RZ gets this far in the thread, I second the amazing stability of my recently acquired RZ at low shutter speeds hand held. For all the racket that goes on down there I was pleasantly surprised at 1/15 hand held shots that I expected be blurred, I got nice sharp 16x20 enlargements.
Hasselblads are lovely too. Both have outstanding optics.

 

[wjlapier]

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btw OP you bought the wrong camera, you should have gotten an ebony.

RB wrong camera...haha...

 

[removed account4]

RB wrong camera...haha...

 

[Sirius Glass]

i say buy the RB. they are selling cheap, its built like a russian tank and if he's unhappy with it, sell it for what he paid n buy something else.

hey sirius.... you're just a flame thrower. a better camera for 6x6 would be a yashicamat. cheap, light and the lens is very sharp.

Tell me exactly how you change lenses on Yashicamat? The Rollei slr can do that.

 

[flavio81]

Next time you're doing acrobatics with the PME and that Hasselblad to get good shots at 1/30 think about trying a roll with an RB/RZ. So smooth in operation that 1/15 is done handheld every shot every time and with a bit of care 1/8 is not that tricky. In fact you should try handling one just to learn what a proper smooth camera feels like.

This. Quoted for truth.

In case anyone considering an RB/RZ gets this far in the thread, I second the amazing stability of my recently acquired RZ at low shutter speeds hand held. For all the racket that goes on down there I was pleasantly surprised at 1/15 hand held shots that I expected be blurred, I got nice sharp 16x20 enlargements.
Hasselblads are lovely too. Both have outstanding optics.

Hear, hear!!

Hooray for japan!! MA-MI-YA!! MA-MI-YA!!

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I've had my RB67 proSD kit since '92 (all replaced in '06 because stolen) and it has never let me down. It'll be coming along with me and my larger formats to Saskatchewan later this month...

 

[Theo Sulphate]

Hasselblads are ok. The problem is people selling A12 backs who think they're worth $500 apiece.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Hasselblads are ok. The problem is people selling A12 backs who think they're worth $500 apiece.

I will not pay that kind of money. Most need a CLA which adds to the cost. For that kind of money it would have to be in mint condition, cook and clean for me.

 

[removed account4]

Most need a CLA which adds to the cost. For that kind of money it would have to be in mint condition, cook and clean for me

or "trade them in for a newer model"