I agree with Brad. If they cannot supply a copy of the receipt from a competent repair person and/or shop; move on. For most of my sales I have a CLA done before the sale so I am offering the best quality piece with confidence and at the best price for the item.If a seller claims recent service,CLA, etc I’ll ask for evidence, like a receipt. If none is provided then I assume it was a destroy-it-yourself attempt and move on. I really appreciate sellers that do have gear serviced by a competent professional prior to selling it and who provide evidence.
Or if the CLA is done by the seller, who himself has a good reputation. I agree a seller just saying "CLA" doesn't mean much. On the other hand, I'm happy if a large number of people never use ebay, because that means less competition for me!There seems to be some confusion over whether CLAs are good at all, or worth mentioning in an add, in this thread.
I find that pretty confusing in itself; why such a simple and pretty obvious concept is up for discussion.
Is it some kind social phenomenon? Like humble bragging, virtue signaling or call out culture?
As I see it, it’s very simple:
CLA with papers and documentation = good.
Claimed CLA with no or falsified documentation = bad.
Then it’s up to the buyer to review the documentation, and do the research on whether it’s a reputable repair person, and whether the documentation looks legit.
No one said it would be simple. ;-)
Trust in someone’s ability to do a repair or CLA is something that takes a lot of time and resources to build up.Or if the CLA is done by the seller, who himself has a good reputation. I agree a seller just saying "CLA" doesn't mean much. On the other hand, I'm happy if a large number of people never use ebay, because that means less competition for me!
You are thinking of guys like Certo and John Titterington. Those are of course “just” to be considered reputable technicians, who happen to also be selling the camera.Or if the CLA is done by the seller, who himself has a good reputation. I agree a seller just saying "CLA" doesn't mean much. On the other hand, I'm happy if a large number of people never use ebay, because that means less competition for me!
Honestly, I'm more interested in an accurate description-- does the shutter work, what condition is the glass in, are there any known problems? Whether it's original, CLA'd by a professional, maintained by an amateur, or the recipient of faerie dust, isn't as much of an issue as "how much will it take to make this item work?".
.../...recently decided to consider the purchase of a new medium format camera ...7...
-'freshly CLAd'
-'just out of the workshop'
-'professionally overhauled'
And so on. However, having contacted a few of these sellers to investigate the details of the CLA (what was done, who did it, what's the warranty, is there written proof, etc) the answer is, invariably, either silence or some variation of 'actually I did it'.
I'm just wondering if there is some sort of 'self-repair' thing going on where bored, Covid-recluse film camera owners give it a go at 'fixing' a camera, having perhaps learnt from a couple of youtube videos, before attempting to dump the result on the auction sites?
For the Hasselblad 500 no idea, but the body is quite dumb, the finesse is in the shutter ie. Compur, otherwise the gearing in the backs.
I do the same, even if there is one part that is not 100% working as it should I have mentioned.Like others have mentioned, I also sell recently CLA’d cameras on eBay and I’d like to add a few comments:
1) sometimes I buy something looking to use it, have it firstly CLA’d then after a few months I actually don’t enjoy it as I don’t adapt to the ergonomics (e.g. sold recently a Rolleicord Vb due to this) or too modern rendering or something and sell it;
2) other times I buy, like recently, a Rolleiflex 3.5B and like it a lot but prefer to almost immediately upgrade to a 3.5F and so there goes a freshly CLA’d 3.5B for sale;
3) on some instances if I happen to find locally a neglected but good model and serviceable camera, at a nice price that can still accommodate a reasonable CLA cost (see below) I might buy it thinking to sell it with some sort of margin but mainly after enjoying a test drive (I love using/testing different cameras) while also supporting the local repair service and to offset often big losses with point nr 1 above
4) The cost of living is not the same across countries, you can have a full CLA for way less than what is described here, by a reputable shop/technician in a significant part of the world.
Define "easy". Every time this comes up here, we have David Odess and Mike at Samy's who is not even listed on their site. I live in Bay Area (nearly 8M people, easily top 5 metro in the US) and I as far as I know we do not have a single full-service Hasselblad shop.
Don’t forget Steve’s Camera Repair. Hasselblad repair probably before David or Samy graduated from nickers to trousers. LA also... and right near the airport. Maybe you can couch-surf at SeriousGass’ while here!Define "easy". Every time this comes up here, we have David Odess and Mike at Samy's who is not even listed on their site. I live in Bay Area (nearly 8M people, easily top 5 metro in the US) and I as far as I know we do not have a single full-service Hasselblad shop.
Don’t forget Steve’s Camera Repair. Hasselblad repair probably before David or Samys graduated from nickers to trousers. LA also... and right near the airport. Maybe you can couch-surf at Sirius Glass while here!
Well if that is true, they have most likely an invoice of the CLA-'freshly CLAd'
-'just out of the workshop'
-'professionally overhauled'
I'm sorry to hear of your experience. The big issue is the waste of your time and effort, not the least of which is waiting at the post office to ship the item back. And then you need to spend time looking for another version of the lens.Anyway, back it went.
I just received a "mint", "no fog" lens from Japan from one of the newer dealers there. It was very hazy, so therefore not mint. I really don't know how they thought they would get away with that. Maybe it was haze free when they listed it, and it developed it during transit? (joke)
Anyway, back it went.
Terms like "mint" or "nearly mint" or anything with "++++" attached to it are suspect now. I'll stick to the few old-timers that I have bought from before - sometimes the price is a little higher, but they've never mis-represented the condition.
Even a store is somewhat suspect. I bought a Nikon F2AS from a well know web dealer that ha a complete CLA only to fail within days. The store did offer a 6 month warranty so I got my money back. Something unlikely to happen with a private seller.
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