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Kodachrome Project, right...
So we scan negs and trans and post them here. Flickr already contains zillions of film shots--some great, most not like much of Flickr content.
"Uninformed and negative" is a remarkable charge. You don't have a clue what I do to promote film locally. I was on photonet for years and never critiqued because I never posted. You seem to have been very busy there posting images. Did you help out in the forums? Your choice--and mine.
APUG probably works best by connecting film shooters locally. We often help former film shooters get back to reality; we know the local ecology of labs, services, and shops and share information they otherwise would miss. That works for me and seems to work for others. I live way more of my life in public than online and prefer it that way.
If you feel mobilizing interest in film is best served by posting images, then rock on. But don't crap on people you don't know, doing things elsewhere, who don't work for a shared interest the same way you do.
Even Mom & Pop photo labs clinging to a core market may feel the repercussions from this if they need to buy a refurbished Fuji Frontier on credit and such.
Sorry to be so brash, but don't crap on the thread then your self, maybe?
You and I want to shoot high quality film? We both need to A. Fight for it. B. Either through our own work or through the promoting of others, show great film images on sites that are far more film specific than Flickr and are more along the lines of this one.
You can take it anyway you want, but I think it is high time things change in the way the film versus digital argument is presented.
Gosh. Hasn't enough been said? Why not just give your opinion, once and with clarity, and let it be?
Move along folks, nothing left to see here
"I firmly believe that film will indeed disappear for all intents and purposes within this decade (if a roll of Tri-X costs $49.95, who is *really* going to buy it?)" [...] "Whether there will be any film available by 2010 or not isn't worth debating, the cost will be extraordinarily high [...] it will in fact be only the affluent collector who will find film affordable"
Problem is if Kodak goes down.
What's going to happen to Kodak Australia, and Kodak insertcountryhere. They bring in the film and most importantly, chemistry, for local purchase.
Also, how will they be able to trade the film and chemistry under Kodak's label? (ie: Agfa).
Anyone looking to take over the Kodak b&w film business will have their work cut out, that's for sure. First thing is, take a look at the competition. True, Fuji film has been dropping like flies (goodbye SS & NP1600) but most likely they'll carry on with NP400 & Acros (they are Fujifilm after all). Then there's Ilford offering a large range of film and paper as well as other European producers such as Foma & Efke not to mention Lucky in China. And you're going to turn this thing round on a dime in the middle of a recession (depression?). Personally I doubt it.
It's wrong to characterise Kodak's problem as being 'dragged down' by their reliance on film. As I understand it, Kodak - probably better than most - recognised the imminent end of the film market and sought to adapt themselves to survive by downsizing their film operation rapidly and in a reasonably orderly manner which is why they can still make a small operating profit from it. Their problem is that they haven't been able to transfer their commanding position in analogue imaging - which has evaporated along with the mass-market for film - into the digital market. For all the doomsaying, I suspect there will always be a small, specialised but potentially profitable market for film products, and in some form or other, Kodak's film division may well be part of it.
I should stop reading this thread as it makes me want to cry, laugh my butt off and punch somebody in the face all at once....
I should stop reading this thread as it makes me want to cry, laugh my butt off and punch somebody in the face all at once....
I should stop reading this thread as it makes me want to cry, laugh my butt off and punch somebody in the face all at once....
What a load of "§$%&. Ilford does not overproduce, has an excellent palette of B&W film stock yet their rolls don't cost much more than Kodak's, in some countries even less.The beauty, for us, about kodak being too big and having to produce too many films is the pruce.
Altough rather high, presently, imagine how much it will cost once a company will produce strictly to answer the demand. The roll will have to be somewhere around 15$, whuch will in turn kill the market.
Film prices have gone up substantially for US folks yet the demand for photographic film stays flat - and that in the face of a double dip recession.Let's nkt forget: there is a market for film at current prices, thanks to Kodak for over producing.
By following your logic, I realize that if I die, the whole field of photography diesBy following my logic, I realize that if Kodak dies, the whole market will die.
I bought 7 boxes of 4x5 TMY yesterday in a knee-jerk response to this thread 8^)...EC
Compared to the average income or the value of money the prices for films today are still cheaper than 20 years ago. So a higher price won't kill the market.
And companies like Adox or efke are profitable and can make films on a small scale basis.
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