The effects of even donning a camera ( and scary situations as a result of it)

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I always thought N. Koreans would make you have your film developed there before you left - that they would develop it to ensure it had nothing they wouldn't like.

Likewise, today I think they want to examine the digital images.

As far as the North Korean authorities could see, I was only photographing what they wanted to be photographed. Processing Kodachrome would not have been beyond their capabilities. As for Zenit cameras being common in the DPRK, hardly. In Socialist countries only the elite live well...as Orwell noted, everyone is equal, only some are more equal than others...Castro, Maduro, Ortega Kim, Xi.
Japan built up industry and mining in northern part of Korea for 50 years while south remained agricultural. .Therefore, when I visited, the North, existing on their legacy, was more advanced than South. Reverse is true now. As Ronald Reagan noted, nobody washes a rented car.

As for the OP’s original point, I still believe one can photograph and be discreet. I just got a first edition of Arnold Genthe’s Old Chinatown. Pictures taken in San Francisco before 1904. All candid. Primitive equipment. Contemporary dress of Chinese quite different from Genthe’s so he could not blend in with surroundings.

Another useful technique. Take the picture you want and then approach subject and tell them they are so beautiful or handsome that you would like to take their picture. You already have the picture you want.
 

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Correction. Should read: processing Kodachrome would have been beyond their capabilities.
 

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Detained or interrogated and bullied at place?
To my understanding "detained" means being confined at least at police station.

In UK. 'Detained' usually means being stopped in the street and checked and held there until it is clear you are of no further interest to them. It may be simply because you resemble a suspect they are looking for, or there could be something wrong with your car or you are detained for the purpose of s drugs search.There are many reasons you can be detained these are just a few,

Being held at a police station means you have been taken there after arrest and you have had your liberty removed for a set period of time. Usually up to 24 hours after which you can be released on bail, or charged with the offence for which you were arrested, but with the consent of a senior police officer officer, or in some cases a magistrate, this can be 72 hours. In the cases of terrorism this can be much longer, but it has to be justified for example where a person has been arrested as a suspect and there is substantial evidence against him/her that needs to be checked - usually forensic gathered from the scene or DNA evaluation, both of which can take time which can take some time.. .
 

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In the US “detained” is a legal term meaning that the police are investigating and the detained person is not “free to go”. Detainment is generally limited to situations where there is reasonable articulable suspicion (RAS) that a crime has been committed or is about to be committed. In that case detainment generally starts upon initial law enforcement contact and results in an arrest. It could involve time being detained in handcuffs on the streets, in a police car, or at a police station. The police must declare that you are being detained and not free to go, or at least answer that question when asked. In theory but not always in practice. Detainment ends at release or arrest. The courts have ruled that there are limits to detainment for non-specific investigations like “you look suspicious” or “your activity doesn’t seem normal to me” or “there’s nothing illegal but I just don’t like what you are doing”... about 20 minutes. I know that period is longer for real crimes but not sure how long it is... my recollection wants to say 24-hours held without charges but my memory is vague and it’s not worth finding that information.
 

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Authorities worry about photographers because photographs are generally legitimate evidence in a court room. Authorities are perpetually worried about Whistler blowers, investigative reporters, and muck rakers collecting evidence of wrong doing, especially of the economic or corruption kind. Anyone who might be a potential threat to the status quo. Countless cell phone videos of police actions have been confiscated for this reason.
 

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Thank you all.
Yes, there are various legal levels of limiting ones freedom, and they even differ between legal systems. My dictionary seemingly sent me the wrong path and that is why I asked.
 

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My estimation is that the reason that authorities don't "care" about cell phones is that the cell phone is the necessary personal tracking device that they want everyone to carry. They don't want to discourage people from having and using cell phones. I suspect authorities view cameras, and maybe especially film cameras, as being "too off-grid" and therefore too powerful and subversive. At least that's what their behavior telegraphs.

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I personally don't like to have my picture taken, no particular reason except I just don't. However if I am out in public and it happens, so what, in a country (an overcrowded one) , in a public space there is nothing I can do legally to stop them. The main problem seems to lie with areas where a lot of children congregate, outside schools etc' Stand outside one, on your own with a camera of any kind and if one of the parents sees you, it is a risk I would not take for fear of being lynched! This is fully understandable considering the risk Pedophiles pose towards children. I would not do it either because I am not that way inclined.

Don't even mention security cameras. The UK is the most heavily surveyed country in the world. There are more security cameras here than anywhere else per head of population. Go about your normal business - I have no problem with that at all. Step out of line doing something illegal, then the gloves are off that person is fair game.

The way things are at present are tempered with a new regulation involving Data Protection (General Data Protection Regulations 2017) where someone can be identified from a picture that later becomes news or appears on television, the face has to be pixelated out unless express permission is granted to use it. Otherwise it is more or less a free for all with a few exceptions. On Railway Stations which are private property, Outside Military or other secure establishments covered by the Official Secrets Act. Shopping malls, again private property, The private security used by some establishments, even Government buildings, have no jurisdiction outside the doors of the premises they are contracted to protect, but there was a spell of them exceeding their authority of the grounds of 'security'. This was prevalent after the bombings on the London Underground and other places but this 'excessive vigilance' has now largely stopped.

No one, including Police have the right to demand that you delete images from a memory card, or seize film from a camera. but it is wise to let them (The police only. Anyone else tell them to take a walk) see what you have photographed, although you can refuse access to police officer, this may however make them think you have something to hide and give them cause to dig deeper. So if there is nothing of any consequence, let them look, that will be the end of the situation. If they do look further and find that you have committed an offence you could be arrested and you equipment siezed for examination, so it is best to go along with them. At the end of the day if all's well you will get an apology and your equipment back.

In UK there is a national organisation called the National Trust who look after, maintain and restore old buildings of significant historical interest. They used to refuse any permission to photograph INSIDE because of a risk of flash damaging fine fabrics etc. Not physical damage, but the light causing the colours to fade. It was only when it was pointed out that a flash only lasts around 1/5000 of a second, give or take, that they eventually relented. (Actually I think it was more to do with loss of sales of photographs they were selling in the gift shops!).

At the end of it, if a situation look a bit dodgy then hide you camera and walk away.


Thank you for filling in the details in your country. I remember when the trash cans disappeared from the streets due to the bombings.
 

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Here's a useful guide to photographers' rights in the US. Mr Krages is a lawyer and a photographer. I try to keep a print copy of the pdf in each of my gadget bags, since there've been too many egregious violations of rights here in the US.

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
 
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