The effects of even donning a camera ( and scary situations as a result of it)

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Dear all,

what have been the negative out comes you have had while wearing a camera? Today i had quite the frightening experience, which is something i would had never anticipated in a million years. I'll be succinct. I was in the grocery store, and as always i was carrying one of my little 35mm german cameras from the 30's (brand not important, but style noted), and as i always strangely do i take photos of the products; meat, vegetables, canned things, etc. Boring photographs, but my friends from foreign countries get a real kick out of them. Anyway. i was checking out, and out of the corner of my eye noticed some umm. Disheveled looking hefty young women, and a rough man. I thought nothing of it, besides the thought that "mm dealing narcotics". 10 years ago, i wouldn't have had such a thought, but the little town i live in has become a nightmare of such things. drug addicts, and dealers alike have migrated here as we are known as having a limited and weak police force. But besides my own stereotypes of the way they were dressed, and talking (having an american city accent), they were passing money and small items, all visible from a corner glance. I didn't stare, unlike the others in line, as frankly, it wasn't my business. I payed, and spoke with the friendly cashier, and left. After loading my car of groceries i was putting this cart thing back in it's place, when a female cashier (whom i hadn't seen) came walking towards me very quickly, and thought "oh my, did i forget a bag of groceries again?", i stopped when she said "sir, sir!", and noticed the rough looking man from before talking to some men on the street, nervously asking them " who's that??" pointing at me. I responded to the woman, saying " yes ma'am? I forgot something again?" and she just ignored me and began questioning me "why did you take their picture? why'd you do it?". I respectfully responded "i didn't take anyone's photograph, i'm not sure who you mean". I'll list the rest of the conversation like an interview for ease of reading.

The female cashier: well why are they saying you did?

me: i'm not sure, but i most certainly didn't photograph anyone, i took a couple pictures of produce, but nothing else.

Note- she became very irritated at this point and almost yelling, and i began to be surrounded by these "disheveled"
individuals, in an aggressive manner, as they blocked anyone from exiting the store.

the female cashier: They said you took my picture too, i didn't give you permission to take my picture. you can't be doing this.

Me: ma'am, i assure you, i didn't take anyone's photo.

the female cashier: <nonsensical rambling and threats>

Me: I didn't do it. (walked away and towards my car)

once in my car these women approached, and i kept driving and the man was gesturing me with his hands.


The point of me writing this is, I wasn't doing the "street photography" i haven't such interests, i was simply wearing a camera. an old chrome one at that, which appears almost as a toy. I was targeted and singled out simply because i wore the camera, and not for any action i did. Their paranoia was the only crime, but the simple presence of my camera was enough for me to be convicted.

I'm curious as to your all's feelings of this. I mean not just in such domestic situations, but the over all threat to the freedom of photography. I think back to soviet times in russia (east berlin), and to what's happening in the Britain. Being in america, i never thought about it, even learning that i could buy a gun after only living here for a short time.. but wearing a camera was more than enough to incite trouble. I usually don't shop during the day, due to my schedule. My human-human interactions are almost always planned, so people expect the camera. I'm almost never around large groups in public with my camera, so maybe this isn't common. Or maybe it is..? I just really want to hear some experiences from you all, and your thoughts on what such situations mean for photography in these changing times.
 

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Try this next time: “go away; leave me alone. Thank you”

... and don’t answer any questions.

If it doesn’t stop say loudly, “stop harassing me; I don’t want to talk to you. Thank you”

If you are in their store and they ask you to stop or leave, then stop and/or leave.
 

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Sorry you had this experience.
Perhaps the town isn't small enough or you haven't been there long enough.
When I go to the grocery store to take pictures of the cashiers they smile and act like it's nothing out of the ordinary
 

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its just part of having a camera and doing your thing.
i was doing location work for a newspaper and
the hotel i was sent to photograph sent their security guard
over to harass me. im not tall and this guy was like 6 feet and change
240# and built like a linebacker screaming and yelling inmy face ...
also been in eateries where customers saw my flash burst and they
grabbed the camera and wouldn't give it back ,,,
what can you do ? moving targets keep moving i guess :smile:
 

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I was at a county fair one time taking pictures and a lady kept covering her face. I think she was in the witness protection program.
 
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Trying to placate people in those situations is just going to cause you more problems. They have something irrational in their brain and the more you try to dissuade them, the more it bizarrely reinforces what they already think. Just say nothing or "no I didn't", turn and walk away. There is no need to converse with the crazies.
 

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I think back to soviet times in russia (east berlin), and to what's happening in the Britain.
[my emphasis]

What's happening in Britain?
I live there, is there something I should know?
 

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Four years ago I photographed a new leisure complex, before and after shots of building works are something I do habitually. I was driving at the time but paused at a red light, so I took a photo with the little Olympus. When the lights changed a young Asian guy pulled up alongside revving his engine and aggressively demanding to know why I took his picture. I pointed back to the building and kept driving.

Paranoia is strong with some people. Sometimes it's because they have something to hide, often it's a persecution complex from mental illness or substance abuse. Then there are scammers looking for any reason to score some money. For people with criminal intent the very sight of a camera confirms that it's solely there to record their presence. Whatever you say is likely to escalate the problem so go about your business calmly with as little engagement as possible.
 

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[my emphasis]

What's happening in Britain?
I live there, is there something I should know?
Apparently disheveled individuals with American city accents are complaining about being photographed by German cameras from the 1930s whats brand is irrelevant.
 

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That is why I want to do what the OP did but I don't because I am afraid of the same thing. I don't care about my right under the law but that's how people may treat you. For example if you loiter on the street, in many places it's not legal but people at most would only give you a dirty look. While taking pictures is legal many people would not want you to do it an may react strongly.
 

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And it's only going to get worse. The funny thing is, if you use your cell phone, fewer people seem to worry. Guess it's those darned cameras that cause all the trouble.
 

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its surprising the grocery store didn't get cranky, some don't like people photographing inside their stores.
this is the case at a lot of other retail shops. and has been for DECADES
its obvious the people thought the OP was a meme machine..
he should probably carry around something like a "brag book" of snappies to show like
a grandparent breaking out the 350,000 snapshots of their latest grandchild ..
 
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Apparently disheveled individuals with American city accents are complaining about being photographed by German cameras from the 1930s whats brand is irrelevant.
I am confused. Is the OP describing an event in the U.K in the unfortunate shop?

pentaxuser
 

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And it's only going to get worse. The funny thing is, if you use your cell phone, fewer people seem to worry. Guess it's those darned cameras that cause all the trouble.
The last time I was disheveled in Britain with an old German camera, a Rolleicord, a child asked his obese elderly Mum, who was sitting on a park bench clutching her white pocketbook tightly against her enormous bosom, what I was doing. Her response was classic. She said something I’ll never forget, “I think that’s a man with an old camera. I believe he may be a photographer.”
 

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I've had two such experiences. Many years ago I took a general available light shot in a lobby area in one of the Boston public libraries with my Praktica LTL. A young woman who'd been in the picture but at some distance and with her back to the camera, apparently heard the shutter and came up to me and demanded the film! I refused. She said she was going to get "security." We left. Note that the Praktica LTL is a German camera, and from East Germany at that! :outlaw:

More recently I was shooting at a crab festival in Port Royal, SC. Wonderful town, wonderful food! A woman in her middle - or perhaps muddle - years, accosted me saying that she didn't want to be in the newspaper. I finally convinced her that I wasn't the press, and she left, mumbling something. Guess she was impressed by my Pentax K 10 with battery grip. Sizeable black cameras are always suspicious, regardless of country of origin, I guess.
 

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LOL. Hilarious!
Thanks, I think. It was your response to pdeeh's question to the OP about the phrase "what's happening in Britain " that threw me. The OP hasn't responded but whatever is happening in Britain then as a British resident I'd like to know as well. :smile:

pentaxuser
 

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I haven't been accosted as the OP was, but I've been warned not to take someone's picture before. It was at a car show and my response was that I don't shoot people. I think I had a TLR or a Graphic. They weren't belligerent about it, so they may have thought they were joking.
In the OP's situation, getting out of there quickly was your best response. They'll never believe whatever you say about not taking their picture because they're just paranoid. Many stores don't like people taking pictures inside, however, because they're worried about people saying the store is doing something wrong (temperatures of display cases, etc..). Sometimes there's an official policy and sometimes there's not. Hobby Lobby doesn't want photos in their stores, but Michaels is fine with it.
 

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Let's see: you are in a grocery store taking photos of canned goods, see two disheveled people, and assume they are dealing drugs. And you can't understand why they think you are up to something.
 
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I was out once early morning with my Mamiya RZ, grip, WLF. A security guard from the plant where I work thought I was with tv station . He was a rent a cop, I brushed him off, told him I worked here and walked right into the plant . Some security :D.
Act like you are with the government, just tell them fu*k off!
 

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“I think that’s a man with an old camera. I believe he may be a photographer.”
Suspect you may be misremembering ... didn't she say "I think that’s an old man with a camera." ?
 

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Suspect you may be misremembering ... didn't she say "I think that’s an old man with a camera." ?
:smile:

Quite possibly, it was a long time ago and memory may have slightly faded, but I was a lot younger then.
 
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OP...could not read it all. Too long and ADD would not go for it. (I'm no A.D. Coleman.)

...but I get the idea.

I used to shoot here for 3 years and was constantly physically attacked. They broke the flash off my hot shoe, punched and pushed. The writing was on the wall, so I quite before things got deadly.

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OP...Google: Self Defense for the Street Photographer...everything you need to know there.
 
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