Of course, that wouldn't have been likely to offend Eggleston .....This reminds me of the famous story of Henri Cartier Bresson approaching William Eggleston at a party and saying “William, colour is bullshit.”
Hi Henning, thanks for your information. I've been using Fujifilm Crystal Archive pre-cut sheets for years. Fuji Hunt chemistry is readily available here in the USA, I get mine from Unique Photo as all our local shops have closed.Here in Germany for about two years now it has been impossible to get any Kodak colour (silver-halide, process RA-4) paper. All the labs which were using Kodak have switched to Fujifilm. No problems at all here to get Fujilm paper and chemistry. Just order it and you have it the next day. Well, Fujifilm is even producing both here locally (Europe: The paper is produced in their factory in Tilburg, Netherlands, and the chemistry is produced in the Fuji Hunt factory in Belgium).
Fujifilm has invested quite a lot in their RA-4 paper production during the last decades, with lots of improved new papers. The last one, their overall best premium paper, was just introduced in 2018, at Photokina. An amazing product.
We know that Kodak Alaris had sold the segments 'photo chemistry' and 'photo paper' to the Chinese company Sino Promise Holdings. And we know that Sino has only the capability of confectioning / converting paper. They don't have a factory for emulsion making and coating.
In the past Kodak Alaris used Carestream in Windsor, Colorado, as their partner for producing the Kodak color paper for them. Will that be continued now under Sino Promise Holdings?
We will have to wait and see.
But the longer this situation of non-availability is going on, the more difficult it will be for Sino Promise Holdings to get their former customers back if they can offer paper products again.
Best regards,
Henning
Hi Henning, thanks for your information. I've been using Fujifilm Crystal Archive pre-cut sheets for years. Fuji Hunt chemistry is readily available here in the USA, I get mine from Unique Photo as all our local shops have closed.
Kodak branded chemistry is out of stock.
Do you think Carestream will continue to produce the Kodak papers? I can't imagine no Kodak papers. I did Not know that Sino Promise didn't have coating lines.
I can't imagine no Kodak papers.
Henning, I’m not sure you realize just how much good your postings here is doing.You're welcome.
Honestly, no one knows, besides themselves. Currently it is impossible to get any reliable information. We have to wait and see.
Of course I hope that we will have both Fujifilm and Sino (Kodak branded, and hopefully produced by Carestream again) RA-4 color paper.
The situation would generally certainly be better for RA-4 if the support from the film photographer community would be better. We have increasing demand for colour negative film, but not for silver-halide colour photo paper.
If you e.g. look at the popular film youtube channels, RA-4 prints is a topic which is almost completely ignored. Unfortunately.
All the talk is about the imaging chain with the worst overall quality: Scanning with cheap(er) scanners or scanning options (reproduction with cheap(er) digital cameras, 'camera scanning').
The wonderful advantages and features of real silver-halide prints are almost completely ignored on these channels.
If those who have started using film lately would also discover the beauty of real photo prints, that would be a significant push in demand, and really helpful. But promotion is needed, and that is unfortunately not done by those who could easily do it.
Best regards,
Henning
Alaris a clowncar organization....
...I just feel that sometimes people forget to appreciate these kinds of posters on forums, until they’re gone...
Me too! I'm still waiting for the clowns to replace defective Xtol, which was promised to arrive back in February. (of 2021, I assume)That almost made my snarf on my keyboard.
Make the request again - to Sino Promise.Me too! I'm still waiting for the clowns to replace defective Xtol, which was promised to arrive back in February. (of 2021, I assume)
That's who I've been dealing with, Matt. My last contact from kodakpaperchem@pro.sinopromise.com was on 5/10/21, which said, "Your replacement product has been ordered. I can't give you a ship date at this time."Make the request again - to Sino Promise.
That is where my replacement X-Tol came from.
info@sinopromise.com
My point of view as a younger photographer (<30) who is also doing darkroom prints (color & b/w):
It is nice that these companies still exist and produce new enlargers, but due to the good availability and low price of used enlargers, most young people simply won't buy a new one.
I think color printing will be more relevant in a few years. I started film photography about 8 years ago and tried color printing for the first time last year.
I'm glad Adox has their own chemistry kit and sells sheet paper, I do not print nearly enough to justify buying a paper roll + a huge amount of pro RA-4 chemistry.
I would also like to mention, yes it is true that most youtube film photographers ignore color printing, but there are some good videos from Willem Verbeeck,
who is one of the most "famous" youtubers.
A few years ago people didn't really self develop negatives either "because it is too complicated",
just a matter of time until people realize that RA-4 printing is not that hard.
Theres an explanation in the article below about what the sino promise manufacturing capabilities are;
- paper slitting and finishing in Xiamen since buying the business from Alaris in 2015 but they import the bulk paper rolls from Carestream, Windsor US, formerly Kodak healthcare. Alaris had by then already closed the only coating plant they actually owned in Harrow UK to sell it for housing. Sino promise have an own brand paper but no evidence they coat it.
- The Wuxi facility manufactures the colour process chemicals acquired from Alaris in 2016
https://www.insideimaging.com.au/2021/agx-photo-paper-shortages-in-4q/
Henning, I’m not sure you realize just how much good your postings here is doing.
Look at the view counts of the treads you posted in.
There is a lot of lurkers and infrequent posters on these pages. People who read a lot more than they ever participate.
And these are gals and guys who go spread your notions, words and data all over the world. And refer back to here.
I’ve lost count of the times I have heard and read someone saying something, where I immediately thought “that was a direct quote or a paraphrase of something Henning wrote on Photrio/APUG”.
I might not be correct every time, but I can’t be wrong all the time either.
I hope I don’t come off as smarmy or a suckup (what would I have to gain anyway?), I just feel that sometimes people forget to appreciate these kinds of posters on forums, until they’re gone.
I know from my own life how complicated compliments can be to give and not least receive. But they often mean something positive to the receiver in the end, when all is said and done.
But of course there are also rational and technical reasons / advantages of optical printing. Like e.g. superior detail rendition / resolution (if the right lenses are used) compared to scanning (with even a measurable advantage to drum scanners).
Well, I have done lots of scientific tests evaluating these different imaging chains. None of the film youtubers has done that.
But with the huge number of new film users it is important to realize that now the next step is necessary: Keeping them in using film in the long term. And that needs education, so that they remain satiesfied with their hobby. That they can 'grow', also in quality and personal excitement.
And that is also the current challenge for youtubers, bloggers etc.. And they still often "sell film photography below its real value" to their audience (a phenomenon we have here on photrio and other groups as well, by the way). Film is unfortunately often described in lower quality than it really is (which is also caused by the very dominant Lomography marketing we've had for many years).
The youtubers have to improve their knowledge and education as their audience is getting better over time and also wants more and deeper knowledge.
Yes, there is a good chance for that (see above). But it definitely needs further improvements in knowledge, education and marketing efforts.
With all due respect, Henning, but if one needs a lab and scientific equipment to detect this "superiority", it can be argued that from commercial point of view it doesn't exist. I am pretty sure Willem has done prints at 11x14" and up using both methods and didn't notice any superior detail rendition / resolution. There's a difference between what can be seen in a lab vs what people can actually notice and pay money for. Of course, there will always be mural-sized prints and other long tail use cases, but again they have no impact on the market size for consumer/home enlargers.
Poppycock! We should do exactly that. Tell people when they pass-on wrong factoids and notions, and then go on to spread well researched and founded knowledge and facts.Strongly agree here, but probably for different reasons. The photographic community in general spends way too much energy on technological merits of available mediums, and not talking enough about what makes the hobby actually enjoyable. In my opinion, film photographers should stay away from promoting "technological superiority" of film and focus on the real reasons they use it. We all know what they are, and resolution is not on the list.
I want to set up a darkroom badly, but not because I want superior output, but because I expect to have a lot of fun spending time there. No need to shy away from "fun". It's the best gender and age agnostic marketing.
You're quite welcome.Hello Helge,
thank you very much for your kind and motivating words. I really appreciate that.
Also many thanks to markjwyatt and Old Gregg.
I promise to continue to do my very best to give you all here the most precise and helpful information as possible. But I also hope you understand that being active here is very time consuming and can be only done from time to time. My main focus has been - and will be - all my work on several levels for the sustainable film revival. And that is not a "nine to five" job, not at all........
Best regards,
Henning
Film is to but it simply and bluntly, just plain superior as an image recording medium on most counts, and in a fundamental way.
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