Tetenal revival project

[russgorman]

I know this thread is about Tetanol, but I would really like to have the gorgeous photo paper Adox MCC-110 back in production.
Thanks.

 

[koraks]

why, with modern films, is the stabilizer not optional?

The actual dye couplers were reformulated resulting in better stability without the use of a stabilizer. That's the very short version.

I would really like to have the gorgeous photo paper Adox MCC-110 back in production.

If you look through @ADOX Fotoimpex ' posts, you'll find a fairly recent one commenting on this. The simple answer is that they don't find it possible to manufacture it so it can be priced at a level the market will actually bear.

 

[ChrisGalway]

The actual dye couplers were reformulated resulting in better stability without the use of a stabilizer. That's the very short version.

Given that both the 3/4 both Adox(/Tetenal) and 6/7 bath Bellini kits include a bath called Stabiliser, why would you omit it? Surely it's there for a reason?

 

[koraks]

It's not really a stabilizer in all likelihood, but really a combination of a surfactant and a biocide. So it's aimed at other aspects than dye stability. I would not omit it although it's less crucial than the stabilizer used to be for pre-2000s color films

There's a big sticky thread on color stabilizers on the forum; your questions are covered there. It's a good idea to scroll through the first few pages and read Photo Engineer's posts in particular.

 

[foc]

I think the name "Stabilizer" sometimes gets used when it should be called Final Rinse, which can cause confusion.

From what I can see, some home C41 kits label the final chemical bottle Stabilizer when it is just (a surfactant and a biocide) final rinse. I never saw this in professional/lab chemicals.

 

[Anon Ymous]

It's not really a stabilizer in all likelihood, but really a combination of a surfactant and a biocide

In the case of Tetenal E6 3/4 bath kit, it was a stabiliser, containing formaldehyde. 6/7 bath kits stabilise dyes in the prebleach stage, with a formaldehyde - bisulfite adduct.

As already noted, modern C41 films don't require dye stabilisation, so it's more of a final rinse (surfactant + biocide), than a stabiliser.

 

[khh]

It's not really a stabilizer in all likelihood, but really a combination of a surfactant and a biocide. So it's aimed at other aspects than dye stability. I would not omit it although it's less crucial than the stabilizer used to be for pre-2000s color films

There's a big sticky thread on color stabilizers on the forum; your questions are covered there. It's a good idea to scroll through the first few pages and read Photo Engineer's posts in particular.

Both the old Tetenal kit and the new Adox kit contains hexamine, which decomposes into formaldehyde. So they are actually traditional stabilizer baths. I haven't checked Bellini's kit, but likely they're doing the same thing.

 

[koraks]

Yes, quite possible; you could check their MSDS. They're fairly easy to find for Bellini products.

 

[DeletedAcct1]

Yes, quite possible; you could check their MSDS. They're fairly easy to find for Bellini products.

No, you have to directly contact Bellini for msds's

 

[Anon Ymous]

No, you have to directly contact Bellini for msds's

I found them quite easily just by googling "Bellini E6 msds". Maco and Fotoimpex have them at the product page, along with the kit instructions.

For the record, they don't list any formaldehyde in the "stabiliser" bath, only diethylene glycol and a biocide. They only list EDTA in the prebleach bath. Likewise, Fuji only lists EDTA and metabisulfite in the prebleach (conditioner) bath.

 

[DeletedAcct1]

I found them quite easily just by googling "Bellini E6 msds". Maco and Fotoimpex have them at the product page, along with the kit instructions.

For the record, they don't list any formaldehyde in the "stabiliser" bath, only diethylene glycol and a biocide. They only list EDTA in the prebleach bath. Likewise, Fuji only lists EDTA and metabisulfite in the prebleach (conditioner) bath.

On the Bellini website there are no MSDS that I can find...

 

[koraks]

On the Bellini website there are no MSDS that I can find...

Obviously. They don't want that information to be published. But the retailers have little choice, they're legally obliged to make this information available to their customers and some choose to do so on their website. So as @Anon Ymous said:

googling "Bellini E6 msds"

You'll find that Freestyle Photo and Impex for instance provide the MSDS - as any responsible manufacturer and retailer really should be doing...

 

[Donald Qualls]

as any responsible manufacturer and retailer really should be doing...

Or any manufacturer who doesn't want to run afoul of USDOT and whatever international counterparts might be involved.

 

[MattKing]

On the Bellini website there are no MSDS that I can find...

As MSDS documentation is country specific, that may be related to the fact that Bellini exports to a number of different countries worldwide.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Can we count on ADOX to be able to replicate TT's E6 3-bath kits and bring them back to the market ?

Yes ofcourse. It´s already in the webshop. We are only waiting for the cardboard boxes (again!).

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Could one meanwhile in theory buy them thrown in ugly plastic wrapping or something? It's amusing that a product is being delayed due to lack of packaging, but I suspect it happens quite often.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Could one meanwhile in theory buy them thrown in ugly plastic wrapping or something? It's amusing that a product is being delayed due to lack of packaging, but I suspect it happens quite often.

It happened with C-TEC C-41 as well. On the box are the hazmat labels so no- we will not throw them in plastic bags ;-)
Instruction-download vards are also not printed yet.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Makes sense - OK, I'll wait then : D

 

[Ernst-Jan]

It happened with C-TEC C-41 as well. On the box are the hazmat labels so no- we will not throw them in plastic bags ;-)
Instruction-download vards are also not printed yet.

Talking about instructions, on your website, the page to the HR-50-dev isn't loading when I click

The best things in life are analog | Chemistry

www.adox.de

I downloaded the instructions from Fotoimpex now, but the website of the manufacturer is the first place I look.

 

[DeletedAcct1]

This is possibly more for our european customers but because we have to assume that Tetenal is never coming back, we started a little poll which products are missed the most by you guys.
This helps us to focus on what to possibly bring back first.

Link to poll (German)

Tetenal Ultrafin
Tetenal Ultrafin T-plus

 

[miha]

Yes ofcourse. It´s already in the webshop. We are only waiting for the cardboard boxes (again!).

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

I saw Ultrafin Plus and Ultrafin Tplus mentioned, but not Ultrafin Liquid in the poll.