Suggest a lens for 6x17 with partial coverage for a vintage look?

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I'm quite enamored with the brightness falloff, loss of clarity, and edge distortion towards the margins of 100 year old panorama shots like Henri-Lartigue's (or, more recently, Sally Mann's 8x10s).

I bought a 6x17 Kraken, and my AI assistant suggested a Schneider Super Angulon 65mm f/5.6, with an image circle of 170mm (I don't know if this is nominal or true) for the 6x17cm diagonal of 18 cm.

This just so happens to be the lens a user here bought for his 6x17, but he was looking for full coverage:


Examining the image he produced, I think the brightness falloff and distortion is fairly close to what I would like, though perhaps a little strong. The angle is also quite wide. That might mean a 75mm lens would be better for me, but upon examining the very handy spreadsheets of large format lenses for 6x(7,9,12) formats:


The smallest image circle for the 75mm lenses is 187mm, greater than the diagonal of the 6x17 negative. But I don't know if the chart is referring to nominal or true image circle. "Nominal" image circle extends to 80-50% of center brightness, while "true" extends to about 10% of image brightness?

The Kraken maker wrote me back and recommended 90mm lenses instead. He said a 65mm lens would be hard to work with. The 90mm lenses in the charts had even more coverage than the 75mm, so maybe my desired lens doesn't exist? I only have a feeling for focal lengths and angle of view on 35mm equipment. He noted a 90mm lens on 6x17 gives "a vertical FOV about the same as a 39mm lens on 35mm full frame but with the width of a 19mm." That is quite some width with just a 90mm lens. Maybe 65mm is truly overkill for me?

Does anyone know of any 6x17 galleries wherein users note their focal lengths, so I could get a sense for the field of view (and, ideally, limited coverage, if any of the users go for that?)

Thank you do much for your help.
 

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90 or 105. You can try a Fuji sw f8 65mm or similar. At f16 or more you should have decent coverage.
 

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If you want that kind of effect, you are probably going to need an older lens or make one yourself. Except for soft-focus lenses, modern lenses are designed for high resolution.
 

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You might want to try 90/6.8 Angulon (not Super Angulon), which has less coverage and might produce the effect you want.

I tried Super Angulon 65/8 on 4x5, and there are clear vignetting when using apertures larger than f/22. And I'm sure it will vignette on 6x17.

Sample photos to show the vignetting at f/16

 
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If you want that kind of effect, you are probably going to need an older lens or make one yourself. Except for soft-focus lenses, modern lenses are designed for high resolution.

I'm definitely going for high-resolution over most of the negative, just not the edges, if that makes sense.
 
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You might want to try 90/6.8 Angulon (not Super Angulon), which has less coverage and might produce the effect you want.

I tried Super Angulon 65/8 on 4x5, and there are clear vignetting when using apertures larger than f/22. And I'm sure it will vignette on 6x17.

Sample photos to show the vignetting at f/16

Thank you, Blee, that's helpful. The vignetting sure comes in quick. I had thought it would be a tad more gradual.
 

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I'm definitely going for high-resolution over most of the negative, just not the edges, if that makes sense.

That makes sense, but that's not what "modern" (last 75 years) lenses are designed for. They are made to give you the maximum resolution as far out from the center as they can get. As I said, soft-focus lenses, or home-made lenses will give you exactly what you want, and you can control the amount of edge softness/fall-off with the aperture.
 

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The 120 6.8 angulon is for 5x7 try to find a really old one, or a goerz ( no idea which one- a 75mm rectagon?)
 
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