alanrockwood
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Wow, we're nearing the 20 year marl on this thread! Short answer: film no, paper yes (only to keep the fixer alive longer).
Sounds good to me.
Wow, we're nearing the 20 year marl on this thread! Short answer: film no, paper yes (only to keep the fixer alive longer).
You know, if you use water stop (for film) poorly enough and long enough, and have converted to alkaline fixer, it raises the question whether your fixer will become a monobath before it's too exhausted to cleawr your film...
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Wow, we're nearing the 20 year marl on this thread! Short answer: film no, paper yes (only to keep the fixer alive longer).
TF3, TF4 and TF5 do not use stop bath, only water
PE recommended stop bath for TF4 and TF5 as well, due to their buffering capacity.
PE recommended stop bath for TF4 and TF5 as well, due to their buffering capacity.
lolPlease stop bath.Or not?
I just breathed my beer through my nose. Never read a funny comment while sipping your beer!Well, speaking for myself, I would say it's really important to *not* stop bathing. It could take a couple days or more, but my wife would eventually have an opinion on the matter.
Put your beer down for a second...I just breathed my beer through my nose. Never read a funny comment while sipping your beer!
Oh, the proverbial sandwich snort!! Good thing I put my beer down.Put your beer down for a second...
When I was a kid a friend of mine managed to get part of his peanut butter & banana sandwich through his nose.
He cried.
The rest of us laughed our heads off.
Yep. Which is why I'm with you. The water stop guys are so out of touch.
Out of touch with reality.? Only used water stop for the last 5 yrs with no problems but the water here is very soft so that maybe a problem to some.
water the same temp as developer rinse 2x.
There shouldn't be enough carry-over to affect the fixer if you do two or three tanks of water with inversions, like a short Ilford wash.False economy because the fixer life is shorter.
Do some inversions, and you're getting close to an Ilford film wash -- which, with only three tanks full of water, will give archival washing of film. Seems like two or three rinses with progressively increasing inversion count might substitute for stop bath -- though the time that takes argues in favor of thirty seconds in an acid stop.
There shouldn't be enough carry-over to affect the fixer if you do two or three tanks of water with inversions, like a short Ilford wash.
With reality?? Never said such a thing.Out of touch with reality.? Only used water stop for the last 5 yrs with no problems but the water here is very soft so that maybe a problem to some and water the same temp as developer rinse 2x.
Indicator stop bath from Kodak (haven't priced Ilford, but I'd be surprised if it was a lot different) is cheaper to use than white vinegar in the gallon jug from the supermarket -- and with the indicator, you can reuse the stop bath with confidence; as long as it's yellow, it's good (with white vinegar, you need to keep track of usage or have a pH meter to be sure it's still acidic).
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