So what IS this lomo 400 film?

[Berri]

I'll have to check, now I don't have the film within reach

 

[Les Sarile]

Tried a 3pack box of Lomography 100 and was very pleased with it's characteristics.

It has good latitude.

Wide latitude due to the fact that it is not overly contrasty.

Full res very large file-> http://www.fototime.com/1934ED999EAFC3F/orig.jpg


It seems to have a pretty neutral palette and grain is very manageable if needed.

Full res very large file-> http://www.fototime.com/0F3B8ACEEFD7DB4/orig.jpg

It works really well in bright lights and colorful scenes.

The price and results I get from it gives me no hesitation for it's continued use.

 

[keenmaster486]

Your images match my experience with the 100 speed film. I'll have to see how the 800 speed stuff turns out.

 

[Berri]

Does this film's substrate seem to be the same thickness as Portra or Ektra in 120, or is it more similar to 35mm film?

EKTAR 100 120 seems thicker than lomo cn100

 

[Berri]

Tried a 3pack box of Lomography 100 and was very pleased with it's characteristics.

from your test I'd say it is a 200 ISO film, the grey card looks much neutral in the -1 stop frame

 

[keenmaster486]

from your test I'd say it is a 200 ISO film, the grey card looks much neutral in the -1 stop frame

Looking at it I think I agree with you... I'd like to see some actual shots underexposed 1 stop though.

 

[Les Sarile]

from your test I'd say it is a 200 ISO film, the grey card looks much neutral in the -1 stop frame

With this much latitude, a + or - stop won't matter as much as how you meter, accuracy of your gear or other environmental factors.

 

[Les Sarile]

Looking at it I think I agree with you... I'd like to see some actual shots underexposed 1 stop though.

I am not sure what the purpose is for but there are a graduation of underexposure on the globe shot I posted above.

 

[Berri]

I am not sure what the purpose is for but there are a graduation of underexposure on the globe shot I posted above.

does your box say made in china as well? what does the film rebate say on your 35mm film?

 

[Berri]

here I can buy 35mm lomo cn for 3.50€ per roll, same price of kodak colorplus, would be nice to see a direct comparison of the two films

 

[Les Sarile]

does your box say made in china as well? what does the film rebate say on your 35mm film?

Made in the USA with a fresh expiration date (9/2015) from when I bought and used it (6/2015).

 

[Berri]

Made in the USA with a fresh expiration date (9/2015) from when I bought and used it (6/2015).

so 135 is made in USA (kodak?) and 120 made in China...do you think it is finished in china or are these two films two different emulsions??
My box has an expiration date of 2019

 

[Les Sarile]

so 135 is made in USA (kodak?) and 120 made in China...do you think it is finished in china or are these two films two different emulsions??
My box has an expiration date of 2019

When I was involved in sending products - complete unrelated to film, there were a lot of considerations when affixing a label "made in country A" so any guess I make can be completely wrong.

Trying to determine if these are the same emulsion - given all the interpretations a color negative goes through to derive an image, we can only make reasonable comparisons only if we can control all facets of in doing this.

However, we can enjoy putting it to good use while we have it!

 

[B&Wpositive]

Why so some think this is an ISO 200 film? To me, it looks best at box speed (100) in the samples.

Maybe it's time someone tested Lomography 100 and 400 and Kodak Color Plus 200 against each other, including a test for speed and grain. Could even throw in Gold 200 (4-way test) for a reference. That sort of test is a bit beyond my expertise at this point, otherwise, I'd do it.

 

[Berri]

Why so some think this is an ISO 200 film? To me, it looks best at box speed (100) in the samples.

Maybe it's time someone tested Lomography 100 and 400 and Kodak Color Plus 200 against each other, including a test for speed and grain. Could even throw in Gold 200 (4-way test) for a reference. That sort of test is a bit beyond my expertise at this point, otherwise, I'd do it.

I suggested ISO 200 looking at the test made by Les Sarile, but it is not necessarely true. If it is made by kodak it is more likely to be the old style VR film which today is Colorplus. The 120 size I used was definitely a 100ISO speed, shot at 200ISO looked underexposed. Whatever it is is a reasonably good film for its price, especially in 120 size.

 

[Berri]

I just ran out of cn 100 in 120 size... and it's not available on the online shop....I hope they order a new batch to whoever makes this film!

 

[trendland]

I just ran out of cn 100 in 120 size... and it's not available on the online shop....I hope they order a new batch to whoever makes this film!

Thats not a good news Berri. But I doubt
a little just from the beginning if this film is actuall made new. Do you remember this?
Making color emulsions is a very hard business. It is hight tech. in reality.
And it is mich too expensive unless you
van affort machines for coating to
2000 films/hour (as an equivalent of 135 films - just remember the big masterrols).
Some say just the cutting from old masterrols is much to expensive with small amounds of films.
Sure it is depending - but the stated you just will have a price of over $1,90 (only
for cutting) - I don't realy belive that.
We would do this together for less Berry - I am quite sure about.
But it is strongly depending to the amound.
I can't say this but we all would imagine that there is a magical border of calculation.
Is it to 20.000 Films (just cutting) is it to 50.000 Films or to 200.000 films?
I can't belive that costs make it imposible to cut just 200.000 films in an economic way. When you calculate $ 1,-/Film for cutting it may be realistic to
assemble 135 films from old masterrols.
Perhaps from relative cheap old masterrols.
Thats the businessplan of Lomo I would
speculate about.
Now they have to sell 250.000 films,
or 450.000 films we all can imagine that this should be no problem to a period of
6 - 18 month for Lomo.
If their plan becomes a great plan they are sold out within 3 month.
If their calculation is normal they can sell
such films within 12 month.
Here I see the big big problem.
The calculation to produce a "New" Film
(from old manufacturing recipes) need indeed much greater amounds of film.
Let us guess : x 10 ?....x25..? x50..?
So we have amounds of 1.500.000 Films
(with bad calculation basis ) or ammounds of 14.000.000 films (with best calculate Film prices )
But Lomo should not be able to sell
14.000.000 films within 1 year?
I would say they also haven't the capital
to get in advance with produktion costs to great amounds of new color films.
14.000.000 x $2,99/each Film =
42.000.000 bucks? That should be to much to lomo and a high risc.
.....
But lets see - when they will find some further old masterrols to cheap prices
we hopefully will see this film again.

But ecact there is the next problem :
The period of cheap masterrolls (backed from Kodak/Fuji long ago ) goes to an
definied end.
So the period of cheap AND good old
emulsions will end very soon.
The indicator to this should be the plans
of the big players to new production.
And please don't be simplehearted with
the possible NEW Prices.
Perhaps manufacturers are much more smart doday. (Never do the same mistake twice)
And Berri you are a lucky one (to own some of that kind of old films)
You should never forget this.

with regards

 

[carlostaiwan]

Bringing back this post from a few months ago, I did experiment with the Lomography CN 400, and I was really surprised with the result. Looking much better overexposing it a bit half step or even a full step. If you guys are interested I wrote a review about it https://carlosgrphoto.com/2017/10/16/lomography-400-review/

 

[rpavich]

Bringing back this post from a few months ago, I did experiment with the Lomography CN 400, and I was really surprised with the result. Looking much better overexposing it a bit half step or even a full step. If you guys are interested I wrote a review about it https://carlosgrphoto.com/2017/10/16/lomography-400-review/

Thanks for doing that!

 

[trendland]

Bringing back this post from a few months ago, I did experiment with the Lomography CN 400, and I was really surprised with the result. Looking much better overexposing it a bit half step or even a full step. If you guys are interested I wrote a review about it https://carlosgrphoto.com/2017/10/16/lomography-400-review/

Thanks two, realy nice results I saw on your blog.
Comming to overexposure : Did you notice a smal difference in grain?
Some say overexposure to max of 1 stop will help colors in addition grain is a little smaler.
Or let me ask : Do you notice (just a little) more resolution with E.I. Iso 320 ?
with this emulsion.

I personaly bought 2x135-36 Packs Kodacolor VR 200,400 as nice cheap offer ($1,95) so I own somewere of 90
comparable films wich cost me just one
buck a film. But I has to buy many ISO 400 films and not enough ISO 200 because they were sold out.
As we saw before Kodacolor Gold 400
seams to be the basis of your Lomo 400.
But VR emulsion is realy not so very much different.

with regards

 

[carlostaiwan]

It is kind of difficult to judge grain, with only half stop difference. Maybe we a big enough print we could feel it, but definitely not scanning.
The problem I've found is that, when shooting at box speed more shadows lose detail, hence the scanner will try to balance those dark areas, creating more grain in the bright areas. The Epson V600 does a really good job, but definitely is not a professional scanner, so I can't really help you with the grain thing.

If you bought VR400, it will depend too in how expired it is and how it was preserved.

 

[Prest_400]

I personaly bought 2x135-36 Packs Kodacolor VR 200,400 as nice cheap offer ($1,95) so I own somewere of 90
comparable films wich cost me just one
buck a film. But I has to buy many ISO 400 films and not enough ISO 200 because they were sold out.
As we saw before Kodacolor Gold 400
seams to be the basis of your Lomo 400.
But VR emulsion is realy not so very much different.

with regards

If you bought VR400, it will depend too in how expired it is and how it was preserved.

Given the state of film manufacture it may be quite reasonable that the Lomo 400 is the same as that Kodacolor 400 (but not ultramax?). Lomo 100 could be the Proimage that is sold in select markets. Some say it all is just kodak gold (but which generation would be interesting).

I used the 400 in 35mm and lab scanned. Quite nice used in good conditions, I rated it at 320 and often added some compensation to the matrix meter. I recently shot some Lomo 100 in 120 but still have to try the 400 it in this format. As an observation, I got some tamed-warm brown biased scans out of this film which may be down to the profile used to scan. When done properly it looks quite nice although a bit grainy.