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So I recently picked up a small flash with some flash bulbs as part of a mixed darkroom lot on eBay. These are GE #5 bulbs and some equivalents (M3, 25B). Looking at the guide numbers, these things blow my little electronic flashes -- even my AB800 strobes at full power -- out of the water. Am I reading this right? My plan is to use these with litho film (ISO around 6) in my 4x5 Crown Graphic. I think I'll be a hit at parties.

Anyone else still using flash bulbs?
 

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Yes, I still consider myself a flashbulb user. Not as much now as in the past decade. Not shooting as much now as in the past decade. Lots of light in a very small package.
 

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I still use them with my Speed Graphic from time to time. They can be fun to use, but they can also be dangerous. You can burn yourself, start fires, or injure your subjects with exploding shards of glass. If you're careful and take the necessary precautions however, they shouldn't be too dangerous.

One thing that always surprises my subjects when I use them is how hot they are. Even from 20 feet back, you can still feel flash of heat!
 

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About once a year. I use a Wein Safe-Sync, a Nikon AS-3, and a BC-7. I have a few dozen M-2B and M3 flash bulbs to burn through. Here's a shot from a few year ago, but with a dSLR:

Xmas.jpg
 

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Bulbs are great if you use them in a room in bare bulb mode. The white ceilings diffuse light everywhere. I used them up to about a decade ago, often for the obligatory dorky Christmas family portrait. My daughter's friends had never seen bulbs in use. The problem is only a few flash meters will correctly measure bulbs because they have a long discharge compared to electronic flash. You probably have to experiment with a few frames and write notes carefully before you get the optimum exposure. I sold a big box of misc. bulbs (many M5 and 25) and two Tilt-a-mite flash units for a surprising amount on eBay, so no more bulb use for now.
 

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I still use them with my Speed Graphic from time to time. They can be fun to use, but they can also be dangerous. You can burn yourself, start fires, or injure your subjects with exploding shards of glass. If you're careful and take the necessary precautions however, they shouldn't be too dangerous.

One thing that always surprises my subjects when I use them is how hot they are. Even from 20 feet back, you can still feel flash of heat!

Interesting post! Back in the day I used a lot of M bulbs as the high school newspaper photographer. I graduated from HS in 1961, so you can see this was a LONG time ago. Of the probably hundreds of little and big bulbs - M5, 25,etc even some AG-1 babies - I don't recall one bulb exploding, ever. The bulbs gave their all in silence, although there was an occasional crackling sound as the bulb cooled. While I never did tests, I seriously doubt that the envelope of the bulb got hot enough to start a fire. These days I smirk when films and TV shows present a Speed Graphic or such firing a bulb with a loud sound. Never happened to me! Now flash powder must have been a different story.....

While the brute power of a big 5 or 25 was welcome shooting football action at night, I certainly don't miss using GNs to preset exposure for a fairly narrow zone where the action MIGHT occur. I would have killed for an automatic electronic flash back then.... I counted a night football shoot a success if I got five or six good shots.
 

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Yes, don't know about the largest sizes, but by the 1950s and 60s when I was using them, the bulbs had a plastic coating that was intended to prevent flying glass shards. I can't say I was a major user, but I never had one fly apart. This year's "Turkey Day" excursion with friends was to Roanoke, Virginia, where one of our visits was to the O. Winston Link Museum. Link made night time photos of some of the last steam operations on the Norfolk & Western Railroad in the late 1950s. He worked with an assistant and rigged up large reflectors and dozens of flashbulbs, using miles of cable. Great stuff.
 

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Yes, don't know about the largest sizes, but by the 1950s and 60s when I was using them, the bulbs had a plastic coating that was intended to prevent flying glass shards. I can't say I was a major user, but I never had one fly apart. This year's "Turkey Day" excursion with friends was to Roanoke, Virginia, where one of our visits was to the O. Winston Link Museum. Link made night time photos of some of the last steam operations on the Norfolk & Western Railroad in the late 1950s. He worked with an assistant and rigged up large reflectors and dozens of flashbulbs, using miles of cable. Great stuff.
Link did some wonderful work! I have a book or two of his work, some of his shots have a truly surreal quality, bring to mind Magritte's paintings.
 

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I still use flash bulbs with a few of my cameras that won't take electronic flash. The Polaroid Pack Film cameras do pretty well with the bulb flash. This was shot with a Polaroid 250 Land Camera using Fuji FP-100C film. I used a Polaroid flashgun #268 with an M3 flash bulb.

Rachael on Stool by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr

I also use flash cubes with the Polaroid Big Shot,

Polaroid Big Shot by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr

Fall Maple leaf by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr

I use M3 flash bulbs with my View-Master camera. It was designed to take larger M5 and M25 bulbs but I find that even the M3 bulbs are too bright for an ISO 100 film. I use an adapter to use the M3 bulbs. I replaced the clear shield on the camera below with a translucent white plastic to reduce the intensity. The people I take pictures of were very thankful, their vision is starting to recover. I did a series of test shots with the new shield at various distances to determine the best exposure. I put a sticker on the back of the flash that tells me what f-stop to use at a given distance.

View-Master Personal Stereo Camera by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr
 

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Interesting post! Back in the day I used a lot of M bulbs as the high school newspaper photographer. I graduated from HS in 1961, so you can see this was a LONG time ago. Of the probably hundreds of little and big bulbs - M5, 25,etc even some AG-1 babies - I don't recall one bulb exploding, ever. The bulbs gave their all in silence, although there was an occasional crackling sound as the bulb cooled. While I never did tests, I seriously doubt that the envelope of the bulb got hot enough to start a fire. These days I smirk when films and TV shows present a Speed Graphic or such firing a bulb with a loud sound. Never happened to me! Now flash powder must have been a different story.....

While the brute power of a big 5 or 25 was welcome shooting football action at night, I certainly don't miss using GNs to preset exposure for a fairly narrow zone where the action MIGHT occur. I would have killed for an automatic electronic flash back then.... I counted a night football shoot a success if I got five or six good shots.

I definitely notice a loud pop sound! And having been in several rock bands and worked at several manufacturing plants over the years, my hearing is definitely pretty bad. But they're not that much louder than most electronic flashes. Certainly not on the level of what some old movies make them out to be.

The protective coatings on them are getting older, so they don't hold together as well. So the odds of one exploding and sending shards of glass out are higher now than they once were. Though to be honest, I haven't had one present a problem yet (but I don't use them often either). I've had a few cauliflower out to where you could see on the insides, but the coatings still held the glass shards together. I've heard stories of people getting glass in their eyes and face from those old bulbs though. But that's mostly second hand stuff. So while it's rare, it can happen. I think standing about 10 feet back should be safe enough.

And the heat isn't likely to start a fire either under normal use. But once again, it depends on how soon you pop the bulb out, and what you pop the bulb out into. They're filled with shredded metallic zirconium which is used in fireworks and as primers for cluster bombs and stuff. Think about how much light they give off, and realize they give off more heat than they do light. Like I said, my subjects can feel the heat off of one standing 20 feet back. They go from room temperature to crazy hot in less than a second, and then cool back down pretty quickly. So if you take a shot, let the bulb cool for a few seconds before popping it out, and throw it away in a metal trash bin full of wet food, you shouldn't have a problem. But if you immediately pop it out into a bin full of oily rags, you could have a problem. Two extreme examples, for sure. But my point isn't that it's likely to happen, just that it can. So it's worth keeping that stuff in mind, because those aren't usually issues one faces with electronic flashes.

Another thing to be weary of is the bulbs going off randomly due to static electricity. So they advice you not to keep bare, unused bulbs in your pockets. They active with just a few volts, so it doesn't take much for one to go off, and if it does while pressed against your skin, it can scar you.

So yeah, people have used them for decades, mostly without incident. They're not death traps or anything. But they do require a bit more care than your modern hotshoe electronic flash.
 

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One important difference to electronic flash is that the duration of flashbulb output is much longer. So instead of freezing motion you can get some blur. See this picture I took with a flashcube and Polaroid Land camera. In addition to the panning used, you also get a sense of movement due to the spinning wheels:
Flyby by Markus Jork, on Flickr
 

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The protective coatings on them are getting older, so they don't hold together as well. So the odds of one exploding and sending shards of glass out are higher now than they once were. Though to be honest, I haven't had one present a problem yet (but I don't use them often either). I've had a few cauliflower out to where you could see on the insides, but the coatings still held the glass shards together. I've heard stories of people getting glass in their eyes and face from those old bulbs though. But that's mostly second hand stuff. So while it's rare, it can happen. I think standing about 10 feet back should be safe enough.

I wondered too. But so far I have not experienced the coating lacking effectivness in keeping glass fragments together.

BUT in my collection of bulb flashes there are a few that already got an inherent transparent screen as added safety device. It would be no problem to install such a screen at the flash one is still using.

In any case I would not use those bulbs without screening.that lack a safety dot.
 

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I wondered too. But so far I have not experienced the coating lacking effectivness in keeping glass fragments together.

BUT in my collection of bulb flashes there are a few that already got an inherent transparent screen as added safety device. It would be no problem to install such a screen at the flash one is still using.

In any case I would not use those bulbs without screening.that lack a safety dot.

In 2016 I used flashbulbs quite often. There was one time when a bulb exploded on me with glass fragments flying off. That was a still life, so no harm was done other than I had to pick the glass fragments out of my scene. For people shots I would always use a plastic shield in front of the flashgun.
Though I must say this failing flashbulb already looked somewhat questionable to me before I used it. I decided to try it anyway and that wasn't a good idea. It was some old #5 bulb.
 
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The box arrived today and came with an interesting item. A spun glass flash diffuser and safety shield.
 

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I have never had a bulb explode.

I have over 800 of them for my Speed Graphic, both clear and blue.
 

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Keep in mind these flash bulbs are Medium Peak devices and the exposure Guide Number will vary with shutter speed. For example: for a GE Number 5 Flash Bulb and a ISO 100 speed film, the Guide Number for 1/25 sec is 260 and for 1/400 sec is 140. This means shooting at a distance of 12 feet, at 1/25 sec the f stop would be f:22 (260/12) and at 1/400 sec would be f:11 (140/12)



See https://www.graflex.org/flash/ge-5.html
 

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I won't get size 5 bulb locally anyway... The largest I get, and that even rarely, is size 2.
 

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Keep in mind these flash bulbs are Medium Peak devices and the exposure Guide Number will vary with shutter speed. For example: for a GE Number 5 Flash Bulb and a ISO 100 speed film, the Guide Number for 1/25 sec is 260 and for 1/400 sec is 140. This means shooting at a distance of 12 feet, at 1/25 sec the f stop would be f:22 (260/12) and at 1/400 sec would be f:11 (140/12)



See https://www.graflex.org/flash/ge-5.html

And electronic flashes are so fast that they complete the exposure quickly enough that the shutter speed in not an exposure factor.
 

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It is for the residual continuous lighting.
 
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Keep in mind these flash bulbs are Medium Peak devices and the exposure Guide Number will vary with shutter speed. For example: for a GE Number 5 Flash Bulb and a ISO 100 speed film, the Guide Number for 1/25 sec is 260 and for 1/400 sec is 140. This means shooting at a distance of 12 feet, at 1/25 sec the f stop would be f:22 (260/12) and at 1/400 sec would be f:11 (140/12)



See https://www.graflex.org/flash/ge-5.html
I was aware that shutter speed enters back into the picture with bulbs. I'm still floored by the amount of light that is.

So now I'm shopping for a flash gun. The one I got is a little Polaroid jobbie with a funny plug. Recommendations?
 

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I've been toying with them over the past several years. I use two Rolleiflex flash holders mounted on regular flash stands. They aren't the easiest thing to calculate exposure for though.

Kent in SD
Below shot made with a Rolleifex (flash selector set to "M" mode.)
 

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