Smallest 35mm or 110 camera with ultra wide lens?

[jsmoove]

I was checking out the Pentax Auto 110, which has its 18 mm f/2.8.
Are there other similar small cameras that have this type of combo?
Doesn't have to be interchangeable, not lomo-brand lomography.

 

[Don_ih]

The Ricoh Auto Half is pretty wide. Fuji made a full-frame 35mm with a 24mm lens (Silvi), I think I saw (or maybe dreamed) a full-frame p&s camera with a 21mm lens but can't remember the name. Not sure how wide the Olympus Pen interchangeable lenses are.

I have an Auto 110. It's too much of a pain to deal with 16mm negatives.

 

[Craig75]

In 35mm id guess a leica cl with a hologon is probably smallest full featured combination.

Konica waiwai has a 17mm lens but that would probably fall under lomo style cameras and lenses.

Or as don says a ricoh gr21 will probably be very smallest 35mm ultrawide non lomo style camera

This is what i could find when i had same rabbithole of a question and went with leica / hologon combo but there might be smaller / less extortionate combinations i dont know

 

[Paul Howell]

Not that wide, a 18mm on a 110 camera has same angle of view as a 28 or so a full frame 35mm. The smaller the format the more difficult it is to design a wide angle. In terms of wide's Pen FT 1/2 frame had a 20 3.5 or a 28mm in 35mm, and a 25mm or around a 35mm. In terms of full frame lots of 28mm, I have a Konica Z up wide, with a 28 to 50mm zoom. Konica made the off road with a 28mm. There were lots of 35mm point and shoots with fixed 35 to 38mms with 38mm to rather long zooms.

 

[Kodachromeguy]

In 35mm id guess a leica cl with a hologon is probably smallest full featured combination.

The Hologon may not work in a CL because of the semaphore arm with the CDS cell. But one of the modern Voigtlander ultra wide lenses might fit.

 

[jsmoove]

@Paul Howell Thanks for the explanation. The Pen F was the other one mentioned in the forum, so that was going to be my next guess too.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

There are a dearth of interchangeable lens sub-mini cameras so the pickings are slim. I adapt my full-frame nikkor glass to half-frame (Pen FV) in 35mm and a Bell & Howell (c-mount cine) for 'regular' 16mm. And anything I can load a 35mm canister w/ 16mm stock into.

A 5.6mm fisheye will cover a regular 16 frame fwiw.

Edit: for an approximate ~19mm full-frame FOV

If late-model plastic fantastic 35mm P&S cameras are included then a fun-touch 6 might fit the bill. Its no 28Ti of course.
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Nikon_AF240SV/Fun•Touch_6_(QD)

 

[BobD]

Nikon Lite Touch (aka AF600) has a 28mm lens.

I believe the widest Pen-F lens is 20mm but that is still only equivalent to 28mm on a full-frame 35.

The Ricoh Auto Half lens is 25mm but it is also a half-frame.

 

[Huss]

I was checking out the Pentax Auto 110, which has its 18 mm f/2.8..

That actually works out to be 35mm equivalent in the 35mm film format.
That's why the standard lens for the Auto110 is the 24mm. Same view as 50 in 35mm.

 

[jsmoove]

Slightly astray from the original question, what about lightest 35mm's that can accommodate/have an ultra wide lens? Lighter than 400g?

 

[Helge]

The Ricoh Auto Half is pretty wide. Fuji made a full-frame 35mm with a 24mm lens (Silvi), I think I saw (or maybe dreamed) a full-frame p&s camera with a 21mm lens but can't remember the name. Not sure how wide the Olympus Pen interchangeable lenses are.

I have an Auto 110. It's too much of a pain to deal with 16mm negatives.

Which Ricoh Half is that? 25mm on the models I see is not wide at all.

 

[Craig75]

The Hologon may not work in a CL because of the semaphore arm with the CDS cell. But one of the modern Voigtlander ultra wide lenses might fit.

Yes thats important to note. I use cl + contax version of hologon but i had the stupid meter taken out first.

Advantage of hologon is lens only comes out about 10mm from the body so its basically adding no size to the camera. Didadvantage is with centre filter its sloooww....

 

[Chan Tran]

I was checking out the Pentax Auto 110, which has its 18 mm f/2.8.
Are there other similar small cameras that have this type of combo?
Doesn't have to be interchangeable, not lomo-brand lomography.

18mm on the 110 isn't ultra wide. It's barely a wide angle lens. It's has an angle of view similar to that of a 35mm on the 35mm camera. If you look for ultrawide angle forget about the 110 format.

 

[Chan Tran]

Slightly astray from the original question, what about lightest 35mm's that can accommodate/have an ultra wide lens? Lighter than 400g?

You your criteria is weight not size?

 

[Don_ih]

Which Ricoh Half is that? 25mm on the models I see is not wide at all.

You're right - I went and dug my (broken) one out. I thought it was wider than that. 25mm on a half-frame is pretty much normal. Maybe saying it's a "tall" angle would better

 

[neilt3]

On 35mm , there's the LOMO fisheye camera , not interchangeable lens , but wide nonetheless . ( I know you don't want LOMO brand , but thought I'd mention it anyway )

You don't mention aspect ratio .
There's a few 35mm panoramic cameras about .
Usually with a rotating lens for the best quality ones ( rather than just a cropped standard 135 frame ) they expose a longer strip if film than a standard camera , so although the lens itself might not be side as such , the resulting image is a much wider field of view than if the lens didn't rotate .

Does it have to be a fixed lens ?
Sigma do a 12-24mm lens that fits several SLRs , I've one in Nikon F and Minolta/Sony A mount . I've also got a Sigma 15-30mm that gives good results .
Not as compact as the 12-24mm though .
And also a heck of a lot bigger than a 110 camera and lens put together , even without the camera body to put it on .
But I'd say. 12-24mm on a Minolta Dynax 5 is compact . YMMV .

 

[Craig75]

Yes swing lens is good solution to the problem. I had a 16mm viscawide. I think that was only submini swing lens camera. Framing was utter pain though.

 

[Helge]

A high quality spherical plastic lens, with a small aperture would seem pretty easy to make as a very wide point and shoot.
Kind of like a budget Contarex Hologon. Lomo tried it, but I’m sure it could be done better with more intent and seriousness.

 

[Chan Tran]

I think 28mm is about the widest you get on a 35mm full frame. It's not ultrawide category but is definitely wide angle. If so the relatively expensive Nikon 28TI fit the bill.

 

[narsuitus]

I use a Nikon F to Leica M adapter to mount the following Nikkor wide-angle lenses on my smallest 35mm film camera, the Leica M6:
18mm f/3.5
16mm f/2.8 fisheye
14mm f/2.8

No need to manually focus. I just use the hyper focal distance to get what I need in focus.


Nikkor on Leica by Narsuitus, on Flickr

 

[Paul Howell]

Slightly astray from the original question, what about lightest 35mm's that can accommodate/have an ultra wide lens? Lighter than 400g?

Canon Rebel at 365 grams, not including a lens, second the is the Minolta 3Xi at 420g, will take all A mount lens, 20. 24, and 28mm along with a couple of fish eyes.

 

[Helge]

I think 28mm is about the widest you get on a 35mm full frame. It's not ultrawide category but is definitely wide angle. If so the relatively expensive Nikon 28TI fit the bill.

You mean in a point an shoot?
Of course it’s possible to go wider. It’s just a matter of how much vignetting and the aperture can accept.

 

[Chan Tran]

You mean in a point an shoot?
Of course it’s possible to go wider. It’s just a matter of how much vignetting and the aperture can accept.

I mean on a compact camera. Otherwise you can put an ultrawide on the Leica M or an ultrawide on a small SLR like the Pentax MX but both are significantly bigger.

 

[Kodachromeguy]

. I use cl + contax version of hologon but i had the stupid meter taken out first.

Contax version of the Hologon? Did you or some company convert the mount? Is there a manual aperture? Most interesting.

 

[Craig75]

Contax version of the Hologon? Did you or some company convert the mount? Is there a manual aperture? Most interesting.

the kyocera contax version of the hologon not the OG contax hologon. You can buy adapters from japan - you just unscrew the contax g mount and screw in the leica mount and youre good to go. Its a fixed f8 but it does have focus tab. Its the only one of Contax G lenses you can do it with easily because its manual focus.

Adapters look like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324257044901?hash=item4b7f39d9a5:g:GysAAOSwyKJfMUc8

Mine was from Breugut in hong kong but i didnt pay what they are currently charging.

It looks like this on a leica

https://www.35mmc.com/02/08/2015/zeiss-16mm-f8-hologon-review/

i stuck mine on a cl with meter taken out and its basically a body cap. Makes a great hip shooter when you are just shooting totally blind so you can look later and crop in to find a good shot.