Slide Mounts for Panoramic Cameras

[mshchem]

So I see nothing available. So. CALLING ON EXPERT ADVICE!

I WANT TO CUT CARD STOCK FOR MOUNTS. DIE CUT, LASER. ????

AS MANY AS I WILL NEED XACTO IS THE OBVIOUS CHOICE.

WHAT SAY YOU ALL? ??

MIKE

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

Panoramic, as in 6x12, 6x17... The format has always posed challenges, especially for single archival storage and reference. When I used 6x12 I could not find any way to make masks for assist with individual filing of frames. This was annoying and clumsy.

Down a bit for comparison, I use for 6x6 and 6x7, pre-cut polyethelene masks (I have never seen them avavilable for sizes beyond 6x9) which are further enlarged to the precise dimensions of the transparency (negative). In your case with the larger format, PVC sheet e.g. A4 card covers from newsagents/office supply stores, and the masks stenciled then cut out to your dimensions. It would be labour-intensive and require patience and CARE.

The method I described of stenciling and cutting out was done by me for a couple of years from 2011. It was tedious. The trimming of my MF mask apertures is done with a No. 11 blade scalpel and a steel, cork-backed art ruler (cork backing prevents slipping). An Xacto is quite tame by comparison (though undeniably safer!), but not as accurate.

Be aware that a slip-up with a scalpel is something you will always remember, and you cannot treat the cut yourself: it will require an ER visit and likely histoacryl-blue (surgical glue, not unlike Superglue) or... sutures. Then they'll take the toys off you!

 

[mshchem]

Panoramic, as in 6x12, 6x17... The format has always posed challenges, especially for single archival storage and reference. When I used 6x12 I could not find any way to make masks for assist with individual filing of frames. This was annoying and clumsy.

Down a bit for comparison, I use for 6x6 and 6x7, pre-cut polyethelene masks (I have never seen them avavilable for sizes beyond 6x9) which are further enlarged to the precise dimensions of the transparency (negative). In your case with the larger format, PVC sheet e.g. A4 card covers from newsagents/office supply stores, and the masks stenciled then cut out to your dimensions. It would be labour-intensive and require patience and CARE.

The method I described of stenciling and cutting out was done by me for a couple of years from 2011. It was tedious. The trimming of my MF mask apertures is done with a No. 11 blade scalpel and a steel, cork-backed art ruler (cork backing prevents slipping). An Xacto is quite tame by comparison (though undeniably safer!), but not as accurate.

Be aware that a slip-up with a scalpel is something you will always remember, and you cannot treat the cut yourself: it will require an ER visit and likely histoacryl-blue (surgical glue, not unlike Superglue) or... sutures. Then they'll take the toys off you!

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I've got a 6x17 ,don't have a big enough projector for that....yet. I'm trying to find something for Bronica 22x54mm 35mm back for SQ-AI. I have a Kindermann projector take 7cm square slides. Gepe used to make mounts.

I think my time would be better spent making a Carousel for 6x17 Velvia. Give IMAX a run for their money

 

[iandvaag]

Hi Mike,

I have a die cutter for making medium format 3D slide mounts out of cardstock. It is sometimes useful to have cropped apertures, so I got a die made for 35 mm panoramic format (23 mm x 52 mm window.) Unfortunately my mounts are designed to be used in a handheld stereo slide viewer, so the dimensions are a bit different than your 7x7 cm projector. Here's a picture of the mount:

I tried cutting down the mount to make a single 7 cm x 7 cm mount, and this is what it looks like:

As you can see, there are a few issues:
(1) The window is not vertically centered .
(2) The top left left corner is slightly rounded
(3) The reverse side of the mount has a sliver of paper missing from the side of the mount (see bottom left side of the photo of the open, cut mount above.) This is because the aperture/window on the reverse side of the mount is 2 mm larger in each dimension (25 mm x 55 mm) than the front aperture. (This is needed so that "the stereo window" is defined precisely by the the front window. Even if there is some imprecision in the folding of the mount, the stereo window is not occluded by the window on reverse side. I'm not sure if I explained that very clearly, sorry.)

I've never projected medium format slides, so I don't know if these issues are cosmetic nuisances, or will cause more serious problems.

The material is heavy weight cardstock (110 lbs) and is advertised as acid and lignin free. There is no adhesive on the mounts. For my application (handheld stereo viewer) I use Scotch Magic tape which I understand is photo safe for mounting the slides and sealing the mount. I'm not sure what would be a suitable adhesive for a slide projector that I imagine may heat up the slide.

Anyway, I realize that what I have here is not exactly what you are looking for, but if you think they might be suitable, I can drop a few in the mail for you to check out and see if they will work. Just send me a PM with your address. I started off cutting these mounts by hand with an x-acto knife, but I quickly became tired of spending half an hour on a single mount!

Ian

 

[mshchem]

Hi Mike,

I have a die cutter for making medium format 3D slide mounts out of cardstock. It is sometimes useful to have cropped apertures, so I got a die made for 35 mm panoramic format (23 mm x 52 mm window.) Unfortunately my mounts are designed to be used in a handheld stereo slide viewer, so the dimensions are a bit different than your 7x7 cm projector. Here's a picture of the mount:
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I tried cutting down the mount to make a single 7 cm x 7 cm mount, and this is what it looks like:
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As you can see, there are a few issues:
(1) The window is not vertically centered .
(2) The top left left corner is slightly rounded
(3) The reverse side of the mount has a sliver of paper missing from the side of the mount (see bottom left side of the photo of the open, cut mount above.) This is because the aperture/window on the reverse side of the mount is 2 mm larger in each dimension (25 mm x 55 mm) than the front aperture. (This is needed so that "the stereo window" is defined precisely by the the front window. Even if there is some imprecision in the folding of the mount, the stereo window is not occluded by the window on reverse side. I'm not sure if I explained that very clearly, sorry.)

I've never projected medium format slides, so I don't know if these issues are cosmetic nuisances, or will cause more serious problems.

The material is heavy weight cardstock (110 lbs) and is advertised as acid and lignin free. There is no adhesive on the mounts. For my application (handheld stereo viewer) I use Scotch Magic tape which I understand is photo safe for mounting the slides and sealing the mount. I'm not sure what would be a suitable adhesive for a slide projector that I imagine may heat up the slide.

Anyway, I realize that what I have here is not exactly what you are looking for, but if you think they might be suitable, I can drop a few in the mail for you to check out and see if they will work. Just send me a PM with your address. I started off cutting these mounts by hand with an x-acto knife, but I quickly became tired of spending half an hour on a single mount!

Ian

Fascinating, I'm interested in your mounts and your die cutter. I have the well known Passport picture and wallet photo cutters. These are well known to jam when cutting material thicker than photos.
My wife is a metal worker, she has steel dies she uses in a hydraulic press to cut copper sheet.
What does your die cutter resemble? Can you post a picture?
Best Regards Mike

 

[iandvaag]

It is a crank-operated roller machine using my custom-designed steel-rule dies. It is called the Accucut GrandMark 2. The die is placed on a metal tray with the paper and a rubber cutting mat on top. The system can cut anything you can cut with a pair of scissors. It works reasonably well, although I find the metal trays to not last very long before becoming warped, and they are quite expensive to replace.

 

[mshchem]

It is a crank-operated roller machine using my custom-designed steel-rule dies. It is called the Accucut GrandMark 2. The die is placed on a metal tray with the paper and a rubber cutting mat on top. The system can cut anything you can cut with a pair of scissors. It works reasonably well, although I find the metal trays to not last very long before becoming warped, and they are quite expensive to replace.
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This is the same machine I found online. Did you specify the die design and have Accucut make the die? I have a machine that creases card stock that would simplify that. The bed of this machine looks wimpy. I'm wondering if I could have a "real die" made and do a stack of 5 or 6 at a time in a hydraulic press? ?

 

[iandvaag]

Yes, I specified the die design. The company that produced the custom die is called Custom Shape Pros. The machine and rollers are totally sufficient in my judgement, but the die trays are made of thin metal and the roller action causes them to warp after only a small amount of use. The warping of the trays does not seem to affect the quality of the cuts, but it does occasionally make a "popping" sound and it is a bit irritating to use.

I make a couple thousand mounts each year and this system works pretty well for that.

do a stack of 5 or 6 at a time

I got smarter, and when I had my second die made, I asked for blades to cut 2 mounts be positioned on the die board, such that 2 mounts are cut with each pass, using a single sheet of paper. I imagine you could cut 4 of your panoramic mounts on a single pass with an 8.5" x 11" sheet by adding more blades on the same die board.

Let me know if you find out anything about mount cutting with a hydraulic press. Sounds like it might work well. Another option is commissioning someone to cut the mounts, but last I checked, the minimum order was exorbitantly high. Hope you find a good solution.

 

[iandvaag]

I know this is a bit of a n old post, but I came across this eBay listing (I'm not affiliated in any way), and I thought I'd post it here in case you were still looking:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mamiya-7-Ma...104484?hash=item2cfe114064:g:CsIAAOSwn55d56Dl

 

[europanorama]

there were Gepe 24x58mm slidemounts. there were cardboard ones from panon. noblex made a 4x5 projector dont know which mounts used, had seen 612 projection at photokina 1994?.

 

[Eric vandrick]

hi. i found these 7 × 7 plastic slide mounts that hold a 35mm slide with a frame that looks to be about 24 x 54mm. I am trying to figure out what camera shoots this ratio. Any ideas?

 

[Eric vandrick]

hi. i found these 7 × 7 plastic slide mounts that hold a 35mm slide with a frame that looks to be about 24 x 54mm. I am trying to figure out what camera shoots this ratio. Any ideas?

sorry I just pulled out transparency and the frame is 24x52

 

[Eric vandrick]

I'm trying to find something for Bronica 22x54mm 35mm back for SQ-AI. I have a Kindermann projector take 7cm square slides. Gepe used to make mounts.

I think I may have exactly what your looking for.

 

[UnderwoodPhoto]

So I see nothing available. So. CALLING ON EXPERT ADVICE!

I WANT TO CUT CARD STOCK FOR MOUNTS. DIE CUT, LASER. ????
MIKE

Contact United States Box at 708-333-6521 16920 State St. South Holland, IL. 60473

They will take your design/measurments and produce exactly what you are looking for. I had them make 35 mm film boxes so I could package re-spooled 35mm movie film to sell in a professional package.