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runswithsizzers

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How about a three scan approach.

DMAX, but not specific to Silverfast and applies to general scanning tools. In this case I am using the Nikon Coolscan+Nikonscan and post process to demonstrate getting the max detail out of a scan.

I was curious if I could gain shadow detail without blowing out highlights. In this first example, I am scanning Velvia 100 with an Analog Gain of 0, +1 and +2.

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Larger version -> http://www.fototime.com/893E0E37B4C4087/orig.jpg

As you can see, default exposure of '0' looks too dark, +1 is more appropriate and at +2 the horse looses texture.

I use HDR to merge the three exposure settings as one image. Floor texture from the shadows and horse texture is achieved and it has that HDR look/coloring

I also used ACDSEE shadows tool (or PS shadow tool) to bring out the shadow detail on the analog '0' and bring out some shadow detail without the HDR look. So in an otherwise deep shadow, you can bring out shadow detail achieved in the scan.

This next one is from Kodak Portra 400 which seems to have endless highlight range.

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Full res -> http://www.fototime.com/DCE615918D77901/orig.jpg

Again, the single scan has achieved the full DMAX, but in order to show the shadow and highlight details, you will need to use post to bring those out if those are important.

I didn't really need the three scans . . . unless you want that HDR look.

Under discussion is the question of whether the scanning software allows the user to increase the actual exposure of the scan, and if that is a benefit. I would say it might be a useful feature for those who scan slide film, but probably not if scanning only negatives.

Les, what is "Analog Gain"? Is that the same thing as increasing the actual exposure by scanning the slide for a longer period of time or using a brighter light source? - or is it something else? In other words, if analog gain is able to amplify shadow detail that was captured by the scan, well and good. But if the shadow detail was not captured because the scan exposure was too low for the density of the shadow areas, then that would require a different solution.

Your scan of Portra negative film has both shadow and highlight detail, and you conclude, therefore, multiple exposures are not needed. That might be a resonable conclusion if scanning only negatives, but it does not prove there is no benefit to using multiple exposures whan scanning slide film. In my experience, no negative has ever exceded the range that can be captured by a single exposure scan with my old Minolta film scanner. But my slides sometimes have shadow detail which I can see when the slide is projected, but which my film scanner cannot capture.

I have had some success merging two different exposures of slide film taken with my digital camera, and the resulting image has more shadow detail and well preserved highlights, compared to what I can get from from a single exposure from my Minolta film scanner. If your scanner is able to capture shadow detail from dense slides in a single exposure, I am happy for you - but for others, merging multiple exposures might be something worth investigating.

Finally, whether or not a merged image has "the HDR look" can depend a lot on what software was used to merge the images, and the capabilities of the person using the software.
 
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Under discussion is the question of whether the scanning software allows the user to increase the actual exposure of the scan, and if that is a benefit. I would say it might be a useful feature for those who scan slide film, but probably not if scanning only negatives.

Les, what is "Analog Gain"? Is that the same thing as increasing the actual exposure by scanning the slide for a longer period of time or using a brighter light source? - or is it something else? In other words, if analog gain is able to amplify shadow detail that was captured by the scan, well and good. But if the shadow detail was not captured because the scan exposure was too low for the density of the shadow areas, then that would require a different solution.

Your scan of Portra negative film has both shadow and highlight detail, and you conclude, therefore, multiple exposures are not needed. That might be a resonable conclusion if scanning only negatives, but it does not prove there is no benefit to using multiple exposures whan scanning slide film. In my experience, no negative has ever exceded the range that can be captured by a single exposure scan with my old Minolta film scanner. But my slides sometimes have shadow detail which I can see when the slide is projected, but which my film scanner cannot capture.

I have had some success merging two different exposures of slide film taken with my digital camera, and the resulting image has more shadow detail and well preserved highlights, compared to what I can get from from a single exposure from my Minolta film scanner. If your scanner is able to capture shadow detail from dense slides in a single exposure, I am happy for you - but for others, merging multiple exposures might be something worth investigating.

Finally, whether or not a merged image has "the HDR look" can depend a lot on what software was used to merge the images, and the capabilities of the person using the software.
Your process of "scanning" chromes with a DSLR is different than scanning with an Epson flatbed that Les described. So others have to determine whether their multiple flatbed scans get the shadow detail and they can be combined into a single result that doesn't look like an HDR shot. If anyone has samples to post here, it would be helpful.

I've also found that shadow details that aren't apparent on a flatbed scanner become visible with a shadow slider in post. Just don't overdo it so you get noise and weird colors. Most shadow details are in any case unimportant. We want to see them because technically it excites us that they may be available. But from an aesthetic standpoint, they make little difference to most shots. Viewers look at highlights not shadows. It's where the eyes go. Often darker shadows will add interesting contrast. In other words, shadows details just aren't worth the trouble. Especially if they create HDR, complicated and timely scanning techniques, and other issues
 

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Les, what is "Analog Gain"? Is that the same thing as increasing the actual exposure by scanning the slide for a longer period of time or using a brighter light source? - or is it something else?
It would seem that Nikonscan does extend the exposure time due to longer scan times.

Your scan of Portra negative film has both shadow and highlight detail, and you conclude, therefore, multiple exposures are not needed.
I make no conclusions for anyone but myself. I simply shared some real examples and what my system was able to achieve. Seems a lot of theorizing was going on and I figure an example or two would help.

If your scanner is able to capture shadow detail from dense slides in a single exposure, I am happy for you - but for others, merging multiple exposures might be something worth investigating.
Thanks and agree that it may be helpful if that is what's needed/wanted.

Finally, whether or not a merged image has "the HDR look" can depend a lot on what software was used to merge the images, and the capabilities of the person using the software.
That look - as with any other artistic decision, goes along with the saying that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
 
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How does Silverfast combine the multiple shots? Do they decide how much of each shot takes priority or whatever it's called. OR does the operator make decision about this?
 

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The version of SilverFast usually bundled with scanners scans at 16-bit (28-bit color) and down converts to 8/24 bits on export. For an additional payment, you can but an upgrade which allows you to output as 16/48 bit TIFF files. It seems that the bundled version is crippleware to some extent with useful features turned off.
The bundled version with OpticFilm 120 Pro is AI Studio 8.8 There is no need to buy an upgrade, it exports 16/48 bit TIFF files. Even DNGs.
 
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