Adox now finally has own production coating capabilities too.
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Adox now finally has own production coating capabilities too.
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Until purchasing its own line in Switzerland, ADOX had been contracting with Inoviscoat in Germany for coating.
Why surveillance film?
was very popular with authorities for red light cameras at one time, and for that application the surveillance film has extended red response, (think Ilford SFX) so their is likely both old stock and current formulas to make it. In Agfa's case it was part of their Industrial range so I would expect they still have the rights after selling off their consumer film business to AgfaPhoto.
wether is is useful for general purpose applications is of course another mater. wonder if you can use it with a green filter?
MattKing
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Volume!
The Surveillance film market requires/required volume!
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Because if you do not actually manufacture your own film, Agfas technical film stock (surveillance, aerial cinematographic) is the only available source for raw material to repackage and thus "create" a new brand easily. No one else will sell you raw film as to my current knowledge.
We find it increasingly difficult to sustain a real business among all these rebrands which lately popped up diluting the market.
Outside Apug there are many newcomers who are not yet capable of distinguishing a technical film rebrand from a "proper" film. Especially because the marketing of the respective "manufacturers" outline all kinds of "special characteristics" for these films making them sound superior to films which have actually been designed for "regular" image taking. They are not. The "straight part of the curve" is to steep and the toe&shoulder are not as they should be. Its quite difficult to obtain a good image on such films (but certainly not impossible either). More difficult than with conventional films at least. This makes this "hype" a bit dangerous to newcomers. If the results are dissatisfying they might stop shooting totally. This cannot be what we want.
This campaign´s budget is to low in my opinion to be really targeting a new film or even an entire factory. It must be either Agfa or another rebrand of a technical film which is in production for other reasons/markets than amateur/professional photography.
Certainly we are not talking what they claim in their headline: "Let's build small b&w film manufacture together“ with a 50.000 USD target (half of the budget shall be used for the rewards). Maybe it´s a language barrier and they ment something else.
So Silberra at this point is a bit of a mystery to me. Let´s see what happens.
Mirko
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All the descriptions from these people seems a bit fuzzy and hype-ish. I was just reading some posts when ADOX tried to reproduce APX400 and all the difficulties encountered, these people just make it seem so simple. meh.
Good luck to those who have made a financial contribution to this new company but posts 35 and 36 sum up my concerns. There is no real substance in what I have read. I am left with the feeling that "something doesn't fit" The face doesn't fit the uniform to use Mr Brigante's prophetic phrase in Carlito's Way
pentaxuser
pentaxuser
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Silberra updated their info. It now becomes more clear. Aparently all their PAN films are repackaged Agfa films- so it´s up to you to decide if this needs Kickstarter-support or not given the availability from other sources off the shelve but the ORTA films are made in Russia. As far as I have understood they are not manuafcturing these films themselves but rather cooperate with a small manufacturer with a small coating line and want to use the money on upgrading the respective equipment and doing R&D.
This is interesting. Still I think it is very enthusiastic and we have to wait to see the final quality but for sure this part of their campaign would be truly innovative.
I´d say if you want to support them go for the ORTA rewards.
What we have available today in orthochromatic (apart from Ilford) is of questionable quality. Maybe they can fill the gap in the future.
Mirko
This is interesting. Still I think it is very enthusiastic and we have to wait to see the final quality but for sure this part of their campaign would be truly innovative.
I´d say if you want to support them go for the ORTA rewards.
What we have available today in orthochromatic (apart from Ilford) is of questionable quality. Maybe they can fill the gap in the future.
Mirko
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The manufacturer for ORTA films is Slavich. From their interview to emulsive: "ORTA, our orthochromatic film is being produced in partnership with a partner that specialises in producing slow, very high resolution films and material for the holographic industry. They have been around since 1930 and also still produce glass plates, technical copying film."
).I took a chance and went in for ten rolls - at worse I have ten rolls to play around with.
What I find interesting is they are promoting their panchromatic films at ISO 50, 100, 160 and 200. Selling three films that are only a half-stop different seems like overkill.
What I find interesting is they are promoting their panchromatic films at ISO 50, 100, 160 and 200. Selling three films that are only a half-stop different seems like overkill.
Report back please
Gladly!
I only got 3 rolls thus far, and will be splitting the two rolls of Ortho mostly between a half frame Agat and an 828 Bantam RF that I use with a square frame mask to allow me to get about 4 "rolls" per source roll to get some familiarity and lessons learned.
I developed my first small sample roll in a tank and learned some lessons already...
Handle this film very gently, and use cooler temperatures to develop with less agitation than I did.
Using tray developing under safelight would have been a better idea than tanking this to avoid over-development.
Below is one of my better results from this pilot roll. The flowers and door were both painted red, and came out a bit lighter than expected, but this may partially due to my overdevelopment. Still, I am quite pleased so far at the tonal rendering and the grain pattern, and look forward to a second pass in the next few days.
I am confused. Is this a reversal of a negative and why are the colours brown? Thanks
pentaxuser
pentaxuser
It is a scan of a negative in color bits rather than greyscale and has a selenium tone to it. I did it just before heading to work and don’t have the tools on the work PC to neutralize if I even wanted to. I was asked to share and shared what I had so far as I learn more about using this film and did.
Thanks Meyer Trioplan. It is simply that those of us who are solely analogue including optical darkroom printing need to see what the neg and positive print will look like from this film. I'd assume that the negative is going to be a spectrum of black to clear and the ensuing print a spectrum of black to white including various shades of grey. However seeing largely brown always leaves me wondering if somehow a film had been produced that gives natural sepia toned prints. Yes this is a bit like someone having a sneaking feeling that maybe so someday the magician will put a handkerchief in the top hat and a real rabbit will come out 
I appreciate your lack of time in this case but as this is the analogue section of Photrio it certainly helps if the neg and reversal is as close as possible to the real look of the neg and subsequent print .
pentaxuser
I appreciate your lack of time in this case but as this is the analogue section of Photrio it certainly helps if the neg and reversal is as close as possible to the real look of the neg and subsequent print .
pentaxuser
That does look quite nice....I might just buy a small amount of the Orta film in the future. Definitely a new niche product.
Does anyone know what is happening with their deliveries from the Kickstarter / Indygogo campaign? I have participated a while back and from what I remember they have meant to start shipping In April / May time, but I've never received my 10 rolls that I've ordered. Has anyone got their rolls yet? Cheers
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