we both know that there are old imbeciles as much as old wisemen
I may be misreading this, but what you guys seem to be suggesting is that OP shoot the scene he likes on digital, goes home and works on it on his computer, and then goes back to shoot it again this time on film... which will give him a totally different result than the one he has on his computer.
I don't shoot digital, so maybe the idea of carrying a digital camera and first shooting in black and white works for some, even though the digital black and white has little to do with how the film will record it. Seems to me a kind of a convoluted way to achieve your goal—I mean, as long as your shooting the scene with your digital camera, why bother to shoot it with your film camera?
I think those 2 replies were directed more at my comment than at what the OP was asking. Sorry for derailing the train.
Yep. Want that black sky effect? Just pull down the slider on the blue channel to 0 and you get the equivalent of a deep red filter. Mask the sky so you don't affect anything else.
This kind of thing is one of the advantages of a hybrid workflow.
I found that overdoing those adjustment creates artifacts. You have to use a light touch.
Ian. I am completely sympathetic to your plight. I'd be frustrated too if I had to devolve to digital tricks. Fortunately, I have a real darkroom and sets of real contrast filters. Most hybrid options reproduce about as well as mules do.
Ah, sounds like analog snobbery to me!
As I don’t have a full darkroom at the moment, I’m restricted to scanning and Photoshop. I do like Photoshop, however, and the control it gives me to do things enlarger jockeys can only dream of. One of the things I really hated when making prints was spotting them. Tedious and time consuming. I can do the equivalent in Photoshop in seconds.
Basic darkroom procedure has been around before you were born. The snobbery is from your point of view only.
But when it comes to nuanced control, maybe you should take a look at the output of serious darkroom printers. For many of us, being forced into digital options would be a significant step backwards.
I never even heard of the term "analog" in relation to photography until the name of this forum got changed. It's was always just photography plain and simple for nearly two hundred years before geeks had to come in with some kind of distinction because they couldn't seem to understand the real deal.
I'm one of those folks hoarding matrix film, which I hope will stay good in the freezer a few more years until I retire and have enough time to seriously dye transfer print. In the meantime I've acquired all the necessary supplies and equipment, have mastered separations and masks using analog dkrm techniques exclusively, and have worked out the protocol for wash-off relief technique, which seems a little more straightforward than tanning development. This is a process which has tactile appeal (especially if you make your living using a computer and are damn sick of it); but is also capable of rendering hues with a vivacity very difficult or impossible to achieve with inkjet or other digital color printing techniques.
-no digital vs. traditional threads
It is fine to express your preference, but past that ....
Hat is now off
Otherwise, I have no idea what you mean by "analog snobbery".
You have been using the term analog as a synonym for film photography since joining the forum in 2011. Here is a post from July 14, 2011, just ten days after you joined, wherein you described what you do as "analog dkrm techniques":
The name of the forum was changed from Analog Photography User Group (APUG) to Photrio circa 2016.
After prostate cancer, I'm lucky if I can hit the wallPeeing yet higher on the wall, I started in 1958.
After prostate cancer, I'm lucky if I can hit the wall
Amen, my friend. Living in Michigan and having the first name "Tim" I can still write my name in the snow. Being from So. Cal., you may not understandAnd lucky to be healthy again.
Amen, my friend. Living in Michigan and having the first name "Tim" I can still write my name in the snow. Being from So. Cal., you may not understand
I only skied at 42 ski resorts in North America, so I think I can snowplow through.
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