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Schneider Kreuznach Symmar S 240mm f/5.6,420mm f/12, it has some issues I need to strip it down and clean the glass elements, no big problem, now for my question. There are two sizes printed on the lens. Does this mean it is a 240mm for 8 * 10 inch use and 420 mm for 4 *5 inch use ?
 

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AT f/22 the complete lens should cover 8x10. The rear cell alone should also cover 8x10.
 

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My understanding is that the Symmar was listed as convertible, and the original shutter should indicate both aperture scales for the 240mm (front +rear cells) and 420mm (rear cell only). Both should cover 8x10.

The Symmar-s, to my knowledge, was not marketed as convertible, and as such, the shutter had a single aperture scale. This lens is newer, multi-coated, not single coated and also covers 8x10.
 
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My understanding is that the Symmar was listed as convertible, and the original shutter should indicate both aperture scales for the 240mm (front +rear cells) and 420mm (rear cell only). Both should cover 8x10.

The Symmar-s, to my knowledge, was not marketed as convertible, and as such, the shutter had a single aperture scale. This lens is newer, multi-coated, not single coated and also covers 8x10.

I have only just purchased the lens and still waiting for it to arrive. looking at the images from the seller it has on the face of the lens ring writing Scheider Kreuznac Symmar/ 5.6 /240 white between the Kreuznach and Symmar is the word sinar in green and opposite that also in green is 12/420. Looking at the apeerture settings there is two rows one in green with 16, 22 32 , 45 and the other ring in white is 8, 11, 16 , 22, 32, 45. My planned use of the lens is on a about 1910 Century field camera. I have given it a clean and have just made a new set of bellows for it . I will be using the camera and lens for landscpe images.
 
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Yes, that is what I would expect of the lens. There will be an extra green f12 and white f5.6 but I presume they aren't visible in the photos.
I think it will make a nice combination with the camera and subject matter. Perhaps not as 'clinical' as more modern variants, but that can be nice too.
 

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Scheider Kreuznac Symmar/ 5.6 /240 white between the Kreuznach and Symmar is the word sinar in green and opposite that also in green is 12/420.

Okay, that sounds like a Schneider Kreuznach Symmar, not a Symmar-S. The Symmar-S is a later lens. I have and regularly use a Symmar-S 240/5.6 and while it can indeed be used with e.g. just the front group, I don't think it's officially intended that way and the aperture scale is also not marked for it. I have 'in a pinch' used my Symmar-S without the rear group on occasion to get 8x10" coverage.

Does this mean it is a 240mm for 8 * 10 inch use and 420 mm for 4 *5 inch use ?
Not sure how familiar you are with these convertible lenses. The way they work is that you normally use the lens with both the front and rear group installed; i.e. the part at the front of the lens board as well as the part at the back of it that sticks into the camera. In that case it's a 240mm/5.6 lens in your case. If you remove the rear part, the remaining front group is a longer focal length, 420mm in this case, and since the front element and aperture don't change in physical size, the numerical aperture (as defined as the focal length divided by physical aperture) changes, so in this case it becomes an f/12 lens.

The focal length is regardless of what size film you put behind it. What does change, is coverage due to the longer vs. shorter focal length and thus longer vs. shorter distance between the lens and the film plane. As a 240mm lens, it will cover 5x7" (IIRC) at infinity focus. As a 420mm lens, the lens is placed at a larger distance from the film plane to get the same focus, and thus, the projected image is larger, and the lens will cover 8x10" (although if memory serves, only just).
 
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Yes, that is what I would expect of the lens. There will be an extra green f12 and white f5.6 but I presume they aren't visible in the photos.
I think it will make a nice combination with the camera and subject matter. Perhaps not as 'clinical' as more modern variants, but that can be nice too.

Given the weight of camera and I will be using it for Landscapes so carrying it around should not be an issue, the camera is certainly lighter than my Calumet C1 , I think this will work out fine for me, I may have a bit of a play around with the longer side of the lens but my passion is landscapes especially down here in Tasmania.
 

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To be clear, per instructions, the rear group only has a 420mm /F12 focal length.
Both as a 240mm lens or 420mm lens will cover 8x10.
 
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