Rodinal stand development with 1+50?

[relistan]

At the risk of whatever, below is an extract of some results when I tried to objectively test this. This particular chart was for FP4+. It is pretty simple to see that from a macro-sensitometry perspective (emulsion speed, contrast) there is nothing particularly special going on here. The only thing I found interesting is that if one is using this process in an attempt to maximize edge effects as opposed to maximizing emulsion speed, one is better off using a 30 minute time rather than the usually quoted 60 minutes, which does nothing more than increase overall contrast.

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Very interesting chart. I can't say that matches my experience, but I can't objectively measure anything without a densitometer.

 

[Alan Johnson]

At the risk of whatever, below is an extract of some results when I tried to objectively test this. This particular chart was for FP4+. It is pretty simple to see that from a macro-sensitometry perspective (emulsion speed, contrast) there is nothing particularly special going on here. The only thing I found interesting is that if one is using this process in an attempt to maximize edge effects as opposed to maximizing emulsion speed, one is better off using a 30 minute time rather than the usually quoted 60 minutes, which does nothing more than increase overall contrast.

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Michael, are these curves for Rodinal 1:50? With no agitation? It seems the highlights are overdeveloped.
Does this suggest that stand developing with Rodinal is best done with a dilution 1:100 or even 1:200 to prevent overdevelopment of the highlights?
Would there still be no increase in shadow speed?
Thanks.

 

[radiant]

.. oops, off-topic ..

 

[Gabriel Aszalos]

You do realize this thread has gone off topic based on the OP. But glad you’re having fun. Carry on

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

This was not scientific test any ways and mostly done just for myself to see what is the difference between under/over-exposure and different development methods.
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The three stop push in rodinal looks pretty good imho. I imagine the grain structure is quite pronounced in that case.

 

[Alan Johnson]

I shoot HP5@1600 and loved the results I got with 1+100. I use my 2-reel Paterson tank and fill it with 6ml Rodinal at 600ml water. Works great. Two inversions at 45 minute mark with a total time of 90 minutes. But I'd like to develop 2 reels at a time, so would it work with 1+50? That'd give each film 6ml in theory.

Re the curves in post 26 for stand development in Rodinal 1:100, I believe the curves for stand development in Rodinal 1:50 would fall above those for the 1:100 and be steeper.
So for stand development at 1:50 the printed highlights would be blank white but the mid and lower tones would print with higher contrast if that is acceptable.
A 60 min stand would be close to developing to finality or gamma infinity as it is known, similar to a procedure mentioned in the 1930s.

 

[radiant]

I deleted my post because it was off-topic (called by OP).

To conclude stand development: not a surprise that developing longer you get a bit more speed and contrast..

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

I deleted my post because it was off-topic (called by OP).

To conclude stand development: not a surprise that developing longer you get a bit more speed and contrast..

For posterity, consider NOT deleting posts with actual content

 

[john_s]

......To conclude stand development: not a surprise that developing longer you get a bit more speed and contrast..

If the Rodinal was very dilute, say 1+200 could you expect to not suffer the extra contrast?

 

[radiant]

If the Rodinal was very dilute, say 1+200 could you expect to not suffer the extra contrast?

I don't know; but if you dilute, you need to develop longer - could there be same effect? How would dilution be the magic bullet?

Maybe somebody just try this Take a photograph for example against light with person as a dark figure and see what happens to the contrast; do the highlights exhaust and lower the contrast? What happens to the edges?

 

[138S]

Actually by far the best way to do that is two-bath/divided development.

Also intermitent water bath can be mentioned, the advantage is that it works with the regular developer we may have been using.