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Don Cardwell illustrated the compensating effect:
Shaping the tone curve of a Rodinal Negative
You can shape your film's tone curve by balancing exposure and development time with agitation. Agitation is used to control the highlights of a negative. More agitation raises the highlight density, less agitation lowers highlight density...www.photrio.com
2-1/4 refers to 6x6. Here is the crop that was made:Thank you for trying to answer my question! Sorry but I'm having trouble interpreting the quoted part. I do not know what 2-1/4 negative means and what portion of it was cropped. Let me ask this: how big is the negative area (in mm) the uploaded image maps to? Thanks.
I think that "semi stand" may vary from a process that just reaches ,say, Dmax =1.2 all the way to development to completion, and the curves will vary with it.
You're not wrong. Some people prefer it for the artistic look , rather than technical advantages of other developers.Please correct me if I'm wrong. In terms of image the more the white noise (the grain) the less the signal-to-noise ratio and the less the image content data.
Why then Rodinal is so praised if other developers yield better results?
Please correct me if I'm wrong. In terms of image the more the white noise (the grain) the less the signal-to-noise ratio and the less the image content data.
Why then Rodinal is so praised if other developers yield better results?
The comparison is not valid. The grain is the signal, making the image.
@aparat your last two graphs clearly show that a rotary processor is not a good idea for B&W. The compensation effect in the shadows is quite real.
The comparison is not valid. The grain is the signal, making the image.
If the grain is the noise, then a grainless image would be perfect? Without grain there is no image--you need both grain and the empty spaces between to make an image, unlike signal and noise. The size and sharpness of grain give specific qualities to the image in terms of perceived sharpness and smooth tones.Absolutely valid comparison. Perfect match, in fact. @Tsubasa you are not wrong. Specific information density (discernible tonal values and resolution per unit of area) is higher with finer grained films, i.e. their signal to noise ratio is higher.
Grain is not noise. Noise is created by deviations of light values recorded by grain crystals (% of salt converted to to metal) vs actual photon counts. Light sensitivity of each unit of grain is not identical to another. These deltas per unit of area is what noise is. That's exactly the same with digital photo sites not holding identical charges. So the analogy is nearly perfect.If the grain is the noise, then a grainless image would be perfect? Without grain there is no image--you need both grain and the empty spaces between to make an image, unlike signal and noise.
One problem with this forum is that images are softened when uploaded, so the grain (and all other details) are lost. This is a screen shot of the upper right corner of the image I just uploaded, compared to the original file. One reason I'm not so keen to upload my work; it gets destroyed in the process.
I suspect the same is happening with Aparat's posts above.
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