Reports of (Colour) Kodachrome Home Processing Emerge from Sydney

lxdude · Nov 10, 2012

OK. If Fuji E-6 came out in about 1990, were they E-4 before that? The Fujichrome I bought in the 80's still had processing included as I recall, so I could see the E-4 process being continued by Fuji in their labs.
Or was the process something else? Was the Fujichrome (RD100, I think it was called) in the mid to late 70's an E- process? I thought it was.

Photo Engineer · Nov 11, 2012

Fuji had two reversal processes. One was a Kodachrome process and the other was a proprietary process similar to Agfachrome of the 1940s onward. The same is true of Konica. I have seen and run the Konica processes and have been told that Fuji product were quite compatible with the Konica products. They both derived from Agfa in WWII.

Konishiroku Emon, founder of Konica, which made Sakura film, was a personal friend of George Eastman. Konica was primary film manufacturer for Japan before and during WWII, but due to war damage, Fuji took the forefront. Therefore I assume some degree of formula crossover was quite possible or necessary.

PE

Yashinoff · Nov 11, 2012

Fujichrome R-100 was process E-4. Fuji did have a proprietary process (cr-55?) but it was compatible with E-4.

lxdude · Nov 11, 2012

That's it: R-100.

Photo Engineer · Nov 11, 2012

I have no information on the R100. My information has a gap between the early reversal films and the E6 compatible films.

PE

StoneNYC · Nov 25, 2012

More than frustrating is when like yesterday I discovered while re-organizing my freezer, 7 rolls of K64-135, 3 rolls of K64-120, one roll of Kodachrome II-828, and one roll of Kodachrome-x-135 and one REEL of Kodachrome (something, probably K-II but I don't want to open the tin) 8mm movie film...

All tha will never be shot.. I don't even have a camera that takes 828 so I don't know why I have it, probably came with a lot of other stuff I bought.

The 35mm stuff is all from my Kodachrome project in 2010, I had extra rolls left over and froze them, they were all still good when I did, actually I mailed Dan Bayer a few rolls, at the time I just couldn't afford to process the leftovers, in fact I think I sold 10 rolls for $100 to another photographer at Dwayne's because I was so broke I didn't have enough money for gas and food to get back to the airport... That trip took me 2 years to recover from financially...

I don't have a reason for posting, except I wanted to share with someone who might understand.

I guess it would be nice to shoot it all, but not at $2,000 per roll haha

~Stone

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PKM-25 · Nov 25, 2012

If anyone wants to give it a try, I think a good bet would be to get five people to pool their money together and send in a roll a piece in one order, preferably from one country to keep it simple.

I figure $250 to test a single roll for an idea I have is ok, but until I see the results, I can not move forward with the bigger idea. If the test looks good, I will shoot about 6-10 rolls on a year long project that will basically be a richly produced set of remakes of old masters paintings done at Burbank Studios...

I would be willing to spear head this through the Kodachrome Project in terms of logistics, communication and gathering, accounting of funds.

Who is in?

StoneNYC · Nov 25, 2012

PKM-25 said:
If anyone wants to give it a try, I think a good bet would be to get five people to pool their money together and send in a roll a piece in one order, preferably from one country to keep it simple.

I figure $250 to test a single roll for an idea I have is ok, but until I see the results, I can not move forward with the bigger idea. If the test looks good, I will shoot about 6-10 rolls on a year long project that will basically be a richly produced set of remakes of old masters paintings done at Burbank Studios...

I would be willing to spear head this through the Kodachrome Project in terms of logistics, communication and gathering, accounting of funds.

Who is in?

135, 120? Or another size?

~Stone

The Noteworthy Ones - Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1 / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic

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michaelbsc · Nov 25, 2012

StoneNYC said:
135, 120? Or another size?

I thought it was 135 only.

If 120 is an option my nose is twitching.

StoneNYC · Nov 25, 2012

michaelbsc said:
I thought it was 135 only.

If 120 is an option my nose is twitching.

I've honestly forgotten lol, sorry to stir things up, but yea that would be nice.

~Stone

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PKM-25 · Nov 26, 2012

$250 for a roll of highly magenta, faded d-max 120 KR64...?....no thanks. I think it is 35mm only.

Stephen Frizza · Nov 26, 2012

I am not and will not process this film so people can simply indulge themselves by finding something to shoot just for the sake of using kodachrome. That's what Dwaynes 2011 cut off was for! The time and effort in processing kodachrome in colour by hand coupled by the fact that there is no profit margin in my costing of $260.00 a roll makes it simply not worth it.

I would only process on application if there was something historically significant left unprocessed on pre existing / pre exposed rolls of film. I would wish to discuss with a client before hand what is on the roll and see previous works of theirs before commencing colour Kodachrome development. I would also like to know the history of the films storage.

I don't mean to sound unfriendly. I was merely testing the waters in terms of processing costs. I was not implying that I am going to launch this as a commercial service for any Tom , Dick or Harry.

railwayman3 · Nov 26, 2012

Stephen Frizza said:
I am not and will not process this film so people can simply indulge themselves by finding something to shoot just for the sake of using kodachrome. That's what Dwaynes 2011 cut off was for! The time and effort in processing kodachrome in colour by hand coupled by the fact that there is no profit margin in my costing of $260.00 a roll makes it simply not worth it.

I would only process on application if there was something historically significant left unprocessed on pre existing / pre exposed rolls of film. I would wish to discuss with a client before hand what is on the roll and see previous works of theirs before commencing colour Kodachrome development. I would also like to know the history of the films storage.

I don't mean to sound unfriendly. I was merely testing the waters in terms of processing costs. I was not implying that I am going to launch this as a commercial service for any Tom , Dick or Harry.

I totally understand your comments and views, particularly as you would be getting no profit or even re-imbursement of your time and effort.

But I think there is almost zero chance of an unprocessed film carrying images of historical significance turning up at this stage, and surely no-one is now going to risk actually taking truly important or unrepeatable pictures on Kodachrome.

I see no reason why any Tom, Dick or Harry should be criticised for wanting to indulge themselves shooting a last few films of Kodachrome (I'd love to use up the dozen or so in my own freezer), but they really need a service at $20-30-ish, which I can't see happening.

Not criticising, just thinking aloud.

AgX · Nov 26, 2012

Stephen Frizza said:
I don't mean to sound unfriendly. I was merely testing the waters in terms of processing costs. I was not implying that I am going to launch this as a commercial service for any Tom , Dick or Harry.

To be fair to all people who understood that differently, your offer sounded differently in that other thread you opened about your service and even there you made that strong limitation on what work you would accept only at post #109.

Don't understand me wrong: I'm amazed by the effort you put into this and I was surprised that you even made an offer for that processing service at all.

StoneNYC · Nov 26, 2012

Quick somebody find a terrorist and shot them (with film) so the government needs to process the film to get his image!

Or what if I get a personal sit down with the president and get to do portraits, will you process THAT role? Is that significant enough? Lol.

~Stone

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Photo Engineer · Nov 26, 2012

Guys, if you really knew how hard and expensive this was, you would fully understand Steve's POV! I have been asked to do this as well and even though I could, I will not even consider it at any price!

PE

StoneNYC · Nov 26, 2012

Photo Engineer said:
Guys, if you really knew how hard and expensive this was, you would fully understand Steve's POV! I have been asked to do this as well and even though I could, I will not even consider it at any price!

PE

Even a million dollars? For a million if I wanted you to set up a lab and teach someone how to run it, would you do it?

~Stone

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michaelbsc · Nov 26, 2012

Photo Engineer said:
Guys, if you really knew how hard and expensive this was, you would fully understand Steve's POV! I have been asked to do this as well and even though I could, I will not even consider it at any price!

PE

I'll add that just as Kodachrome was choking to an end that PE put me onto enough information ro.figure it out myself (via private email) and I worked on it a while.

If quickly became clear that it's not trivial. Nor inexpensive.

So I gave up. So the prices didn't seem unreasonable.

I'll add that it is not a sustainable business model any more than my endrvor to turn the Phototherm 4x5 adapter back into production was.

Diapositivo · Nov 26, 2012

Photo Engineer said:
Guys, if you really knew how hard and expensive this was, you would fully understand Steve's POV! I have been asked to do this as well and even though I could, I will not even consider it at any price!

PE

Actually PE was so many times the object of a proposal to close him in a barn to work at this project that I think he begun seriously worrying about it to be put in practice

StoneNYC · Nov 26, 2012

Diapositivo said:
Actually PE was so many times the object of a proposal to close him in a barn to work at this project that I think he begun seriously worrying about it to be put in practice

Oh good idea! Lets do it! Hahaha

Hey is there ever an APUG get together for the whole USA somewhere? I'd like to meet you guys, I'm in Connecticut (obviously I do a lot of work in NY).

~Stone

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Poisson Du Jour · Nov 26, 2012

StoneNYC said:
Oh good idea! Lets do it! Hahaha

Hey is there ever an APUG get together for the whole USA somewhere? I'd like to meet you guys, I'm in Connecticut (obviously I do a lot of work in NY).

~Stone

The Noteworthy Ones - Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1 / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic

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Get-together with APUG here! Come on Downunder! We actually shoot film in interesting locations and don't get all hot and sweaty picking over the carcass of Kodachrome...

Photo Engineer · Nov 26, 2012

Actually Stone, I would be happy to teach someone how to do it for $1M. But, I would not produce any commercial runs and the lab would have to be set up beforehand with equipment and chemicals to my specification. That latter would not be included in the $1M of course, or I would spend the $1M myself just setting up!

You understand that, right?

Edit: After seeing all the hype about tax increases in 2013, I would like to add that the $1M that I would get would be after taxes.

You understand that as well, right?

PE

Photo Engineer · Nov 26, 2012

Come to Rochester NY, the former "Mecca" for photography.

PE

Prof_Pixel · Nov 26, 2012

Photo Engineer said:
Come to Rochester NY, the former "Mecca" for photography.

PE

... and we could arrange for a special tour of the George Eastman House (and collection).

Klainmeister · Nov 26, 2012

Photo Engineer said:
Come to Rochester NY, the former "Mecca" for photography.

PE

How bout down here in SFe? Always got some good light.... plus some fun workshops

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