Oh and Velvia - curves or not, if there's one film I think takes "very inaccurate but people like the inaccurate look" to an extreme far beyond Kodachrome, it's Velvia. I'm not talking about how well curves match, just the level of saturation. Not many people claim it looks realistic, but people seem to love it. I'm not one of them, finding it exaggerated and garish most of the time, though I do like it for subjects that need a color pop shot in dull lighting.
Kodachrome has a realistic look to me even if I can identify where the color isn't accurate. That's hard to explain but easy to see. There's something about it that looks very "real" somehow.
Roger, please read the second paragraph of my post 223. That is why I cannot ignore these threads. I have had requests from students trying to piece together a history of Kodachrome, others want to replicate just one color image for a science experiment and etc. How can I ignore this. I said in the post you quote that I want and can do zip. That is not really correct. I can give out information and guide people to sources for more information.
PE
Probably a result of being an American and us seeing Kodachrome films and pictures constantly up until more recently. That is real to our perceptions.
Funny, I hear that about Velvia all the time too, and I understand it, but frankly when I am out shooting in Canyonlands, Velvia is the only one that actually does catch the vibrancy. Most other films I use don't get close.
Well...maybe that's a factor of how colorful our surroundings are. It doesn't look like any reality *I* know, but I've never been out there. Well, it can - as I said, on an overcast day with a subject that should have bright color, it can make it look more like it would look on a sunnier day. But using it in already vibrant light seems to be overdone. My luke warm reaction to it also comes in part from the fact I've always found it difficult to shoot well. It has (or seems to have - I've not measured it just shot it) a range even narrower than other E6 films. I do a bit better with E100VS (alas) but would only use it in similar circumstances.
Sal, you could not be more correct! That is why Fuji had the E6 market cornered.
Bill, when you are trying to help someone with information, you don't ignore them. OTOH, you have to tell them that enough is enough.
PE
...Good god, if we gave Kodachrome a forum, could you imagine the uproar from the Leica folks that they don't get there own?
Roger, thank you. I'll shut up!
K.S., Roger, in surveys, most people pick garish color over muted color as long as the color is accurate. And so a red can be a red, not an orange, but the customer inevitably selects bright red rather than red. If you look at a Munsell or CIE chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIELAB. You will find that people expect high saturation and brightness. See the enhanced color photo compared to the original on the CIE page.
PE
Isn't there an inherent conflict between saturation and color accuracy at some point, where to make the color more saturated it has to be more purely one wavelength, whereas the original was more mixed?
And practically all AF-finder film-cameras used the contrast detection (either in the active or passive version).
Kodak worked on a t-Grain and an ISO 400 Kodachrome but none of this went to market. The photo magazines who got samples were "ho-hum" about it in the face of the new E6 films.
PE
Do you have some? That would be cool to have just for coolness purposes haha
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You may have just made PE's head explode.
Ok, I have been debating doing this for awhile and decided to go ahead and ask:
I have recently found a roll of kodachrome 64 that my father in law exposed, who knows how long ago, is there anyone here who would be willing to take this roll and develop it? I doubt I have the skills, and know I don't have the patience with removing the rem jet, to develop it properly. I really want this roll developed, and if you want to know why, send me a PM.
Ok, I have been debating doing this for awhile and decided to go ahead and ask:
I have recently found a roll of kodachrome 64 that my father in law exposed, who knows how long ago, is there anyone here who would be willing to take this roll and develop it? I doubt I have the skills, and know I don't have the patience with removing the rem jet, to develop it properly. I really want this roll developed, and if you want to know why, send me a PM.
Roger, it is $250 per roll, minimum 5 rolls...do the math!
Add insured postage (and risk of loss) from whereever you are to Sydney, Australia.
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