Reflx Lab to release Aerocolor IV 2460 in 4x5

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WOO-HOO!
Look what showed up unexpectedly in my mailbox today! 👍

Awesome! Received a notification a few days ago that mine is underway as well; hopefully it'll get there by the end of this week or by next week.

IMO, way too expensive for a film coated on a thin base that curls and for which they cannot guarantee it is indeed cut correctly - as stated in post #8.
It's on the expensive side, yes. As to the other stuff...not too worried about that currently. I mostly will use this initial box to evaluate and then decide where to take it. If it's a usable material, I'd look into acquiring an entire roll.

@MCB18 what was the MOQ again when you were asking around a couple of months ago?
 

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The base is very manageable, and not nearly as hard as some folks make it out to be. Yes, it’s a bit more fiddly, but if you know how to load regular film, it’s not hard at all.

As far as cutting, nothing is perfect. I try to aim for +/-1mm, ISO standard, but can’t be 100% sure all my films are like that, obviously. Though I feel pretty confident in saying that any film I send out will fit in a standard holder.

Thanks for chiming in. What worries me is flatness of the film in the holder and / or enlarging mask. Sheet films are coated on a thicker (0.19 mm / 0.007 inch / 7-mil) base for a reason. Whereas:
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What worries me is flatness of the film in the holder and / or enlarging mask.

The film holder is a concern; especially bucking. That's one of the things I want to test it for, to see if it's a real-world problem. As to enlarging - that's what glass carriers are for.
 

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Thanks for chiming in. What worries me is flatness of the film in the holder and / or enlarging mask. Sheet films are coated on a thicker (0.19 mm / 0.007 inch / 7-mil) base for a reason. Whereas:
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I believe it was Ole, one of the early APUG moderators who used to use jam to keep film flat in the holders he used with his Carbon Infinity LF camera. Most likely that was B & W film, but still.....
I can’t recall what flavor of jam.
 

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I believe it was Ole, one of the early APUG moderators who used to use jam to keep film flat in the holders he used with his Carbon Infinity LF camera. Most likely that was B & W film, but still.....
I can’t recall what flavor of jam.

Of the three jams currently in our fridge, fig jam (not figjam!) seems to be the most appropriate.
 

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Last week or so, I got my Aerocolor in and yesterday I shot a few sheets to see what it does. I've not wet printed them yet; I hope to do this maybe next week or so. I did chuck the negs on the scanner (in their printfile thingy sleeve) for a sneak preview. Here's what it looks like:
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Basically, it's just color negative, only unmasked. The base isn't entirely clear, but slightly magenta-yellow; I'd say a ratio of 5:1 magenta:yellow or so. In the scan above it looks more yellow, but in reality it's more magenta for sure (I need to get an E6 calibration target....) Nothing weird going on otherwise; gamma looks perfectly normal for a C41 film, there's no massive halation either; there's a tiny bit of light piping in the top left shot in the bottom right corner, but that's what you'd expect on any kind of regular camera film. I also overexposed that frame because I wanted to be shure not to clip off anything in the shadows on that one and I wasn't entirely sure if my light meter wasn't being fooled by some reflections or highlights (turns out it wasn't and I should just trust it a little better, hah!)

Inverted and with a very crude color balance applied, this is what I get:
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But take such conversions with a hefty grain of salt; they say virtually nothing except that there's color in the images. How you twist & turn the curves digitally is entirely up to the photographer/editor - which is great, of course, but it also means we cannot say much about "what the film does" based on an image like the one above.

In post processing I didn't notice anything particularly weird in terms of crossover - but scans are deceptive. Still, my experience with crossed over films is that I generally see at least a bit of that when color balancing them using the curves tool, and this time the RGB curves ended up pretty parallel. It does depend a bit on where you place the start and end points (deceptive!), but overall it seems well-behaved - certainly for scanning.

At a more theoretical level, I would like to point out that Aerocolor IV isn't as well-behaved as e.g. Portra (which costs >twice as much in sheet format); see the overlayed H/D curves here (Aerocolor = cyan, Portra 160 = magenta):
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Three things stand out:
1: The gamma/contrast of the Aerocolor is way higher. However, this is when it's developed for 'medium contrast', which Kodak specifies as 4m15s instead of 3m15s in C41. I processed my film as normal C41 film, so 3m15s. The datasheet implies that regular C41 processing would yield a gamma of around 0.65, which is close to where you'd find most color negative films (0.57-0.63). It's slightly punchy, so I expect to see that when wet printing it.
2: The absolute distance between the curves is different. No sh**, Sherlock...it's a maskless film. So left of the toe, we can see the orange mask of Portra in a very high blue density, a little less green and especially a lot less red density (i.e. it's reddish orange, which meshes with reality if you've seen P160 negatives). The Aerocolor however has very little base color and what little it has is predominantly red, with much less green and blue light coming through if you hold it against the light. This aligns with what I explained above and my visual perception, but if you look critically you can see that my negative scan looks more yellow in the base, which shows how scanners can be deceptive even when set as neutral as possible.
3: The Aerocolor crosses over much more so than Portra. The crossover is between all channels, with red getting behind the most. This means that if you invert linearly, you'll end up with cyan-magenta (more accurately, cyan-blue) highlights and brownish shadows. I wonder how that pans out because it's pretty much the opposite of what 'feels' right. Maybe it's not all that visible in color printing (the paper curve does something, too, although sadly it tends to cross in the same direction). Of course the scans don't show this because this kind of crossover is totally lost in the black-box behavior of the scanner and willy-nilly adjustments that are necessary to turn a scanned negative into a positive image. The proof of the pudding, for me, will be in the printing.

I metered the above at 125, but the shutter on this lens is probably around 1/2 to 2/3 of a stop slow on the speeds I used. Still, the EI125 exposure seems liberal; for instance, the tree trunk in the bottom left I would have expected to drop off into the abyss of featureless shadows, but it ended up having plenty of printable detail. I'm not going to say anything like "oh this must really be a 200 film at least", since I didn't do any sensitometry. But so far at least it seems that 125 gives perfectly usable results, at least for me, even though the datasheet implies that this speed is for development at max contrast (which is 5m15s) and you'd expect a speed of something like 80 or maybe 100 or so when giving less development. Anyway, I'll happily continue shooting it at 125 until I bump my head.

Let's see how it prints, but so far it's promising.
 

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In the meantime, I've printed these negatives and reflected some more on this first experience with Aerocolor. Printing it has also given me some new insights which I didn't spot initially, or the significance of which I found hard to judge. As is often the case, optical printing tends to emphasize shortcomings in the film and/or workflow more so than scanning, and all manner of adjustments are easily made digitally that take a lot more effort or are even not feasible in an optical printing workflow.

Some scans of my prints are here: https://tinker.koraks.nl/photography/skyfall-a-first-impression-of-4x5-kodak-aerocolor-iv/

I'll work my way through this box of film and expect to do so with pleasure. I do think it's the only box I'll ever purchase from Reflx. I feel that they're simply placing this at too high of a price point for what it is. In the end, this film is really not up to par with 'real' color negative films. And while I find its shortcomings perfectly acceptable for many purposes, at roughly 50% the price of 'real' film, it's just not worth it. If someone were to offer this film in 5" rolls for e.g. a 25% margin on top of Kodak's list price, I'd be inclined to purchase a roll. As I understand, at the MOQ of 10 rolls, Kodak sells a 150 meter roll of 5" Aerocolor for around $600 and I'd be happy to pay around $800 for it and set myself up for shooting 4x5" color until the stuff expires around $0.60 a sheet. But at the $5/sheet Reflx are charging? No way.
 
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