Recommend 6x6 MF camera - not Mamiya

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The SQ is a complete bargain, if you ask me. I had one and now have a Hasselblad, and there really is no difference in image quality. I wish I didn’t have to spend almost £300 for a Hasselblad focussing screen that’s as good as the one that comes as standard with the Bronica.

Love my 503 though :smile:

If you fancy a rangefinder, the Mamiya 6 is highly recommended, despite the price. I much prefer mine over the 7ii I had a few years ago as it’s much more compact. It’s a killer travel camera and can be comfortably carried all day, up and down mountains. Don’t be put off by the plastic look: it’s got a tough metal skeleton. The light meter is handy when you get used to it’s quirks.

Watch eBay as bargains do come along. I bought my M6 not long ago, and put together the three lens kit for a touch over £1000.
 

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I think you'll be happy with the SQAi - I have been with mine! Although I wish perhaps I had seen this thread earlier, as I've been thinking of selling mine, since I haven't used it in years. It's not that I don't like it, it's just that once you start adding lenses and backs and other accessories it starts getting heavy, which is a problem when travelling and you only have so much room/weight in your carry-on luggage, which is why I've gone back to shooting with a TLR - lighter, and I'm not tempted to bring anything else to go with it!

Hi Rachelle. I understand what you mean. I like travelling light too, but don't do a lot of it these days. At most I would bring just one extra lens and one extra back. But we shall see. I'm getting ahead of myself here, as I don't have the camera yet...

As time advances, the number of lenses that I take on trips decreases.
 

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good luck at that budget.

My 2nd Rolleiflex, which I use more than my first a mint 3.5 Xenotar E2, cost me £75 at a Flea market, it's an Automat from the early 1950's with an Opton Tessar lens, the model is sometimes termed as an Automat MXV. It's in nice condition, the stall-holder was selling off his cameras etc I bought a mint boxed Metz fash off him at a subsequent Flea market.

You can easily get a good Yashica 124 or 124G for between £75-£125, and a Mamiya C33 or C330 and variants with 2 or 3 lenses for £300. If it doesn't have to be 6x6 again a Mamiya 645 with 2 or even 3 lens can be found for £300n or less.

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Thanks, Ian. I appreciate your post, but you have perhaps missed my update where I mention I went ahead and purchased a Bronica SQ-Ai, which should be with me mid week. Thanks again.
 

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Thanks, Ian. I appreciate your post, but you have perhaps missed my update where I mention I went ahead and purchased a Bronica SQ-Ai, which should be with me mid week. Thanks again.

The anticipation of a new camera that is about to arrive ... great sensation! Enjoy!
 

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Thanks, Ian. I appreciate your post, but you have perhaps missed my update where I mention I went ahead and purchased a Bronica SQ-Ai, which should be with me mid week. Thanks again.


Apologies Rob, I did miss the update however I was also commenting on Ralph's post as many people are switching to MF or even LF these days.

Those Bronica SQ-Ai, and similar models seem to have bounced back in value in the past year or so, you've done well there. Have fun with it.

Ian
 
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Cheers, Ian and MrclSchprs! The anticipation of having a new camera will be stretched somewhat as there is yet ANOTHER bank holiday in England, and the shop will be closed both Monday and Tuesday. It won't arrive before Thursday, perhaps Friday. Gives me time to devour the manual and a few relevant videos/websites.
 

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Thanks, Ian. I appreciate your post, but you have perhaps missed my update where I mention I went ahead and purchased a Bronica SQ-Ai, which should be with me mid week. Thanks again.


Enjoy your new camera. Now stand back and watch all the new posts which will tell you that you shoulda bought each poster's favorite camera.
 

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Enjoy your new camera. Now stand back and watch all the new posts which will tell you that you shoulda bought each poster's favorite camera.

That's a tree we won't crawl up . . . . . . . . . . .

My Mamiya C3 and C33 plus lenses were superb, my mamiya 645's excellent - just as good, my Roleiflex lenses superb, my Yashicamat 124 just a step behind.

I used Bronica S2a's in the late 70's and early 80's but only when acting as a stringer for another pro photographer fiend, or cvering for him. In those days Bronica had few of their own lenses and also used Nikon, Komura and CZ Jena lenses all were excellent.

I don't think there were any ppor lenses for Bronicas by the time of the SQ series.

Ian
 

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OKAY, I've chosen and purchased a Bronica SQ-Ai
Damn! Late to the party! I was on holiday, and also carrying and shooting my recently bought SQ-A...

I've just scrolled through several posts and seen one suggesting the Pentacon Six. Nice camera, great lenses, but also quite unreliable and the prices have rocketed in the last few years.

Never mind all that though, the SQs seem to be great cameras (I'll verify once I've developed my holiday films). Yes, I would personally have loved a Hassy but just couldn't allow myself to spend that much money...

Prices for lenses and accessories seem to be going up, so buy what you need while you can. Also, watch out! There is a lot of damaged/broken/mouldy/abused crap out there! I've already sent back 2 lenses, a speedgrip that was badly bodged/repaired and I'm about to return a back that allows you to take shots while the darkslide is in, but is difficult to remove from the camera once attached. Having said that, if you find a lens that is dusty or slightly mouldy without coating damage, they are quite easy to open up and clean.

Once you have used it for a while, you will appreciate the system of interlocks that stop you from screwing up. 2 bits of advice, which apply to the SQ-A, maybe also the SQ-Ai: Always lock the shutter button on the camera, not on the speedgrip if fitted. In fact, the speedgrip makes it easier to accidentally fire the shutter if you put the camera in a bag! Also, if you have an AE finder, turn it off when not in use. On some bodies, even if you lock the shutter button, you can still turn the metering on by half pressing it.
 

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I don't know what prices are in the UK, but the Bronica SQ-Ai is reasonably priced in the USA and has good lens. Very capable of hand held shots with wide to short tele lenses with WLF (waist level finder).

I'd second this one, too. I owned it and now have the Hasselblad 500 CM (which is also a good choice).
But the lens and build quality on the Bronica are terrific, and the prices are - still - unbelievably good. The best bargain out there right now, IMO
 

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Thanks for the tips, Fin. I hope your holiday shots turn out well. please share them if they do.
I'm slowly working my way through the rolls and so far they have turned out well! I've bought a 7" Nikor tank from the US so I can do 2 films at once, unfortunately ePrey's Global Shipping is incredibly slow, so I'm doing each film individually... Once I've figured out how and where to upload photos, I'll put a couple up. Nobody really wants to see holiday pics! :smile:

I did think of a few more things about these cameras, which may help if you are new to them, or used to other cameras like I was! The interlock (as mentioned earlier), advance and shutter cocking system is brilliant, and may well annoy the piss out of you for a few rolls! The manual is fairly helpful with this, available on butkus.org. In a fairly big nutshell, winding will not cock the shutter unless the moving film rotates the top roller in the back that pushes a pin; unless the body is in multiple exposure mode, then one crank will cock the shutter. Meanwhile, the shutter won't fire if the darkslide is inserted in the back. The camera will fire if there is no lens, but the shutter must be cocked before removing the lens, otherwise the film plane will be exposed to light because the mirror doesn't return after shot, and the actual shutter is in the lens. If you change the back, the winding mechanism requires winding to re-cock and line up the mechanism regardless of frames taken on the back, it feels odd winding on after you have changed to a wound-on back, but you don't loose any shots.

When (or if, yeah right! G.A.S rulez!) you start collecting more bits, lenses, backs and other stuff you never thought you would need, AFAIK there is only one accessory that fits both the SQ series and the (also popular and from the same era) ETR, which is the tripod adaptor bracket for the Polaroid back. I know that the SQ and the ETR shoot very obviously different sized frames, but I also don't completely understand why the two systems didn't share more components and also lens mounts. Maybe the design team hated manufacturing... So, watch out for that as I've returned a wrongly sold lens and a crank for that reason. Yes, even the film winding crank is a different size! And annoyingly, ETR lenses seem to be a bit more plentiful and slightly cheaper!

When you want to buy another back, because you will, 220 backs go for less than the 120 ones. 220 is/was a 24 frame film with a paper leader and footer, so because of the counter mechanism and the difference in thickness between film and film with backing paper, many people think you can't use a 220 for 120 film. One of my backs is a 220, I removed the pressure plate and bent the metal spring a bit to lessen the tension and the film loads exactly the same and goes through perfectly well. Just keep an eye on the frame counter because after it gets to 12, you may be able to get half a frame in, after that it's just backing paper!
 
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Cheers, Fin. I'll read that through two or three times, just to get it into my thickening skull.

Regarding lenses, I've noticed on eBay many say "for ETR" - are you saying I should not buy these, as they won't fit the SQ? That's a pity, as there are lots of them! I'm looking for a good wide-angle lens.

Hopefully the camera will arrive today.
 

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Regarding lenses, I've noticed on eBay many say "for ETR" - are you saying I should not buy these, as they won't fit the SQ? That's a pity, as there are lots of them! I'm looking for a good wide-angle lens.

ETR lenses won't fit. You need the Zenzanon SQ S (earlier)* or SQ PS (later) lenses - these have electrical contacts on the lens mount for the electronic leaf shutters. The PS lenses have newer coatings and some external changes. The PS-B 80mm was a simplified lens for the SQ-B - it doesn't have the 'T' (time exposure) switch. Wide-angle wise, there's 40mm (I'm guessing 24mm on 135 format), 50mm (roughly 28mm on 135 format) & 65mm (roughly 35mm on 135 format).

* Not to be confused with the "S" lenses for the earlier focal plane shutter S2A/EC cameras - which won't fit and don't have leaf shutters.
 

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the Bronica leaf shutter cameras:

Zenzanon MC/EII/PE are ETR lenses are for the 6x4.5 ETR/ETRS/ETRSi cameras.
Zenzanon S/PS lenses are for the SQ series 6x6 cameras
Zenzanon-PG lenses are for the GS-1 6x7 camera.

There may be some codes I missed--but the main thing is there are three leaf shutter Bronicas and their lenses aren't interchangable. The early S/S2/S2A/EC are mostly Nikkor lenses but some other brands as well including Bronica Zenzanon lenses. They don't have leaf shutter and most of them don't even have a focusing helicoid, since that was a separate part. A list of all the possible SQ lenses is here:

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Bronica_SQ
 
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