Hello! I bought this Rada roll film holder hoping it would fit my Voigtlander. Unfortunately it does not. Any ideas what it does fit??
Rada roll film holder with tabs fits?
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Thanks Donald but I have already looked through that thread. I also looked at the Rada catalogue posted there. I could not identify exactly which model it is. Maybe I am blind.. my wife says I am. I can never find anything I am looking for and then she finds it in 30 seconds.
Running joke at my house -- "It was behind something." Real problem is my partner is constitutionally incapable of putting anything back where it came from. Maybe that's your issue, too.
I wonder if that Rada you have is incomplete -- those tabs look like they should be folded over to lock the plate into something.
What are the dimensions? There's a rumor that Rada made a holder for my red-headed-step-child ICA "Tudor" Reflex, which is a German made, quarter plate, reflex camera. If it's 3.65" on the short axis, I'd love to see a picture of the back. The Reflex back even has cutouts where the tabs might fit.
ICA lists the plate size as "8.3 x 10.8 cm", which is very close to 3.25 x 4.25.
ICA lists the plate size as "8.3 x 10.8 cm", which is very close to 3.25 x 4.25.
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Off hand it seems to be a specimen of the socalled 'millionfalz'-type (german) - basically just a flat-boxlike fit. In this case it will in fact fit certain old-stype Voigtlander Bergheil cameras. Thas is if it's a 9x12cm fit.
edit: The tabs dont really mean anything, they are just short guides for the cover.
edit 2.: after having seen the pix below I can confirm the above.
edit: The tabs dont really mean anything, they are just short guides for the cover.
edit 2.: after having seen the pix below I can confirm the above.
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Here are some more pics.
Too big for my ICA, and no lip. Ah well. No idea what it's for. 
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I think this is right. The way it is designed it actually looks like it would fit an old wooden plate camera. Similar to the wood double holders. Maybe an early Bergheil used the same design. Certainly looks like the single film holder mentioned in the Rada catalogue and labeled millionfalz'-type.
I believe it's for a 9X12cm plate camera. What size is your Voigtlander? If it's 9X12cm it sure should fit. If not, where is the problem as to "not fitting"? Whoops! I see by you measuring that it's for something large, like a 10X15cm camera or something.
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The tabs are for making it easier to run in the dark slide .... it is indeed millionenfalz which could fit the Linhof
9x12 for sure.
I think it is for Ika icar 180., Probably for some more
Actually i can not see lips .
Finaly It could be perfect if it was like that below
The type shown here is the so-called NormalFalz (in german), that fits most 9x12 plate cameras. It might even fit your Ideal, if you make a small dent on each side near the top for the lock-down (but I think you wrote about that in another thread?). (And I believe the redoutable Jason Schneider of Modern Photography mentioned this abt. fifty years ago?)
By the way, the Ideal is a wonderful camera of high quality, being the 'upper middle class' of prewar plate cameras. But believe me - the roll fill holders for this particular model are a potential nightmare. Firstly, they are hard to find. Then there's problems with the light-trap: the metal construction is too thin and may easily lose its proper shape, and thus leak light; and perhaps worse - its absolutely impossible to take apart to change the light trapping. So be ware.
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Τhank you Lobital for your usefull jadjement.
Any way i think my photo back is different than yours, as far as the down edje is concerned.
Of course the dent will work but is also good the down edje ?lip? to exist, unless it is not possible to be tightly fastened ,and to have more problem with light trapping,
Thanks
Any way i think my photo back is different than yours, as far as the down edje is concerned.
Of course the dent will work but is also good the down edje ?lip? to exist, unless it is not possible to be tightly fastened ,and to have more problem with light trapping,
Thanks
Hi Coll,
As far as I remember, the lip on the lower edge is really necessary for using it on the Ideal camera. I think there will only be a large problem with false light on the upper end, i.e. between the camera house and the cassette. A couple of remedies: You may use a strong rubber band near the top of the camera housing to keep the cassette flush with the camera before removing the cassette cover. You may also attach some sort of cloth band at the upper end of the camera, to make it more light tight. But the rubber band is important and easy to use with a rollfilm holder. But ofcourse there is always a chance for false light entering the camera between the cassettes and the camera when out in the sun, whence always place the black cloth over the camera back as much as possible. Above mentioned Jason Schneider was a well known collector / photographer writing abt. collecting in Modern Photography in abt 1960/1970. He liked the Ideal a lot and also mentioned you could use the above type rollholder. He apparently often did porfessional photo jobs with cameras at least as old as your Ideal. Of course he also liked the Universal-Juwel/Palmos, but this is a rare and expensive bird, as you probably know. And there are absolutely no rollholders for these cameras to be had, at least in the european-style (in the US I believe these cameras could be had with graflock back).
But happy shooting!
As far as I remember, the lip on the lower edge is really necessary for using it on the Ideal camera. I think there will only be a large problem with false light on the upper end, i.e. between the camera house and the cassette. A couple of remedies: You may use a strong rubber band near the top of the camera housing to keep the cassette flush with the camera before removing the cassette cover. You may also attach some sort of cloth band at the upper end of the camera, to make it more light tight. But the rubber band is important and easy to use with a rollfilm holder. But ofcourse there is always a chance for false light entering the camera between the cassettes and the camera when out in the sun, whence always place the black cloth over the camera back as much as possible. Above mentioned Jason Schneider was a well known collector / photographer writing abt. collecting in Modern Photography in abt 1960/1970. He liked the Ideal a lot and also mentioned you could use the above type rollholder. He apparently often did porfessional photo jobs with cameras at least as old as your Ideal. Of course he also liked the Universal-Juwel/Palmos, but this is a rare and expensive bird, as you probably know. And there are absolutely no rollholders for these cameras to be had, at least in the european-style (in the US I believe these cameras could be had with graflock back).
But happy shooting!
In guess you mean a grove at the bottom edge of the film/plate holder; indeed the ICA/Zeiss Ideal uses so-called (in German) 'Anlege Kassetten'. They are not meant to slide in the camera, but to be pressed against the back. They are secured at the camera with the bottom grove and with two pins from the camera fetching two notches in the holder.
Here you can see the back of an ICA Favorit camera. The holder (at the right side) is secured by two kind of bolts grasping the notches:
By the way, this double plate holder matches also the Ideal 10 x 15 camera.
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Linhof (pre International back), Glunz, or Voigtlander.
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In guess you mean a grove at the bottom edge of the film/plate holder; indeed the ICA/Zeiss Ideal uses so-called (in German) 'Anlege Kassetten'. They are not meant to slide in the camera, but to be pressed against the back. They are secured at the camera with the bottom grove and with two pins from the camera fetching two notches in the holder.
Yes Ron!!!!!
That s why the bottom edge is Absolutely nesessary for some cameras
Unless the plate holder with no edge it is easy even to fall down at the ground.
Yes Ron!!!!!
That s why the bottom edge is Absolutely nesessary for some cameras
Unless the plate holder with no edge it is easy even to fall down at the ground.
Hello friends.
Because we was talking about camera back light trappind . I think i found an absolute solution even not the traditional material one i also wanted to find.
I found self sticking tape with very soft ,black, really flexible, material easy to change it when it needs.
If you can not find that ,you can find double face tape, and to use the material below.
Thanks
Because we was talking about camera back light trappind . I think i found an absolute solution even not the traditional material one i also wanted to find.
I found self sticking tape with very soft ,black, really flexible, material easy to change it when it needs.
If you can not find that ,you can find double face tape, and to use the material below.
Thanks
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Hello,
If you look at the rear of an Ideal body whatever the format, you don't see the usual velvet on edges to prevent light leaks ; the side of the holder that goes against the Ideal camera has a particular shape so that it fits in the camera.
IMHO, an adaptation of a "normal" holder without velvet on the camera body (or, why not, on the holder) will certainly cause light leaks, even when there is a bottom edge on the holder.
If you look at the rear of an Ideal body whatever the format, you don't see the usual velvet on edges to prevent light leaks ; the side of the holder that goes against the Ideal camera has a particular shape so that it fits in the camera.
IMHO, an adaptation of a "normal" holder without velvet on the camera body (or, why not, on the holder) will certainly cause light leaks, even when there is a bottom edge on the holder.
First of all I have to say that when i found the camera velvet existed only on the upper side.
I do not know if it was produced like that ,because I have seen some cameras have velvet only on upper, other up and down, while others had on every single side.
I have to say that your opinion about stop lighting ON the plate sounds great.
Well, after a test i think i will find where velvet or any other material is needed.
Thanks Andy 38
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So thick velvet and and quality like the original one, I will definitely won't find.
I do not know if it was produced like that ,because I have seen some cameras have velvet only on upper, other up and down, while others had on every single side.
I have to say that your opinion about stop lighting ON the plate sounds great.
Well, after a test i think i will find where velvet or any other material is needed.
Thanks Andy 38
P.S
So thick velvet and and quality like the original one, I will definitely won't find.
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AMAZING!
I could not imagine!
1 million Thanks my <Flaying Dutchman!!!>
I do not know if it is the same hairy thick stuff, but ok!
p.s
Well finally i decided to choose direct positive papers in pieses to work the camera, and to develope them by myself.
I think it is the most interesting and practical way!
With a small patent on Zess ikon filmpach plate holder(easier to find it than the original sheet film staff) i can use them for papers
Thank you all again
I could not imagine!
1 million Thanks my <Flaying Dutchman!!!>
I do not know if it is the same hairy thick stuff, but ok!
p.s
Well finally i decided to choose direct positive papers in pieses to work the camera, and to develope them by myself.
I think it is the most interesting and practical way!
With a small patent on Zess ikon filmpach plate holder(easier to find it than the original sheet film staff) i can use them for papers
Thank you all again
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In guess you mean a grove at the bottom edge of the film/plate holder; indeed the ICA/Zeiss Ideal uses so-called (in German) 'Anlege Kassetten'. They are not meant to slide in the camera, but to be pressed against the back. They are secured at the camera with the bottom grove and with two pins from the camera fetching two notches in the holder.
Here you can see the back of an ICA Favorit camera. The holder (at the right side) is secured by two kind of bolts grasping the notches:
By the way, this double plate holder matches also the Ideal 10 x 15 camera.
Yes exactly; but nevertheless Jason Schneider mentioned he was able to use ordinary (NormalFalz) plate cassettes for the Ideal/Favorit 9x12 cameras; frankly I dont remember if I tried it myself, but I may have many years ago on one of my Ideals. Anyway I think It may work out all right if in a pinch.
Nice 10x15 Favorit camera, must be quite rare, never saw it in that size. Reminds me I have an old Juwel (i.e. pre Universal-Juwel) 9x12 that needs repair; i'ill have to do something about it.
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Hello;
Here are 2 cameras using the Ica 10x15 double side plate holder, a Favorit and a much rarer (Ica) Reicka on the left.
I don't know if it's possible to use a normal single side holder with them.
Here are 2 cameras using the Ica 10x15 double side plate holder, a Favorit and a much rarer (Ica) Reicka on the left.
I don't know if it's possible to use a normal single side holder with them.
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