Tell that to the 20 people who were pushed onto the subway tracks in New York this year. The good news is that only two were killed. Crime in New York is up by 30% and there have been over 600 mass shootings so far in 2022, not to mention 27 school shootings. Doesn't sound like the Peaceful Kingdom to me.
You avoid taking photos of children without prior consultation and agreement to help protect the interests - privacy and otherwise - of children.
That's not a compelling argument, since the vast majority of photos are neither great nor of particular social importance. No one is concerned with those photos. The fact is, in order to get great photos and photos of social importance, you may need to disregard the contextual and temporary concerns of the individuals involved. It's more a matter of what you, as a photographer, are trying to do.
Socially important photos tend to remain important when removed from the time and context of the photo. Great photos, one could say, transcend those concerns entirely.
No one ever needed to know Napalm Girl's real name.
Privacy in public space?
Tell that to the 20 people who were pushed onto the subway tracks in New York this year. The good news is that only two were killed. Crime in New York is up by 30% and there have been over 600 mass shootings so far in 2022, not to mention 27 school shootings. Doesn't sound like the Peaceful Kingdom to me.
Well, the children have grown up since then or are dead.
what often benefits the individual, can also harm the greatest number in the end.
But if you are merely desiring to satisfy your artistic needs, than the children and/or their guardians should be consulted, because their interests are just as important as yours.
This thread must surely discuss the work of:-
Privacy in public space?
People get jobs for themselves, they get educated for themselves, they start businesses and end up employing people for themselves
The French seem very concerned about their photographic "privacy." I believe that under French law, everyone has an absolute right to ownership of their own image. That goes so far that people have been known to jump into a crime scene picture so they can later sue on publication.
Before this gets too stupid, I would like to say this. Some of the posts seem to be from people who have not produced children. They may not understand that once a couple has kids, their entire existence revolves around nurturing and protecting those little charmers. As a parent and grandparent, I can understand that no parent gives a tinkers damn about artistic expression, the photographer’s rights, or anything else that just may threaten the family that is their responsibility. And generally no one can give a good reason for taking a picture of their kids. So what would you have wanted your parents to do if you were a kid today? There are just too many weirdo’s and perverts out there for me to have taken any chances.
Before this gets too stupid, I would like to say this. Some of the posts seem to be from people who have not produced children. They may not understand that once a couple has kids, their entire existence revolves around nurturing and protecting those little charmers. As a parent and grandparent, I can understand that no parent gives a tinkers damn about artistic expression, the photographer’s rights, or anything else that just may threaten the family that is their responsibility. And generally no one can give a good reason for taking a picture of their kids. So what would you have wanted your parents to do if you were a kid today? There are just too many weirdo’s and perverts out there for me to have taken any chances.
One interesting thing to ponder: Does this recent trend mean that candid “non concentual” photos taken of children, and people in general, in “the past” including masterpieces like the aforementioned ones by HCB, are now evil and wrong? Should they be canceled? How? And from what cutoff date?
There is nothing wrong with people being happy to be seen in public, but unwilling to have their image distributed afterwards.
Legally, privacy — or the right to privacy — has nothing to do with where you are. Privacy is about having control over how the information about you is gathered and used. I can be in a public space but the information about me being in that place belongs to me and I should control whether or not I want to make it public, and to whom I want to make it public.
People commit crimes for themselves, pollute for themselves, create unhealthy monopolies for themselves and gather power for themselves.
I can be in a public space but the information about me being in that place belongs to me
And of course, what often benefits the individual, can also harm the greatest number in the end.
Exactly. You don't avoid taking photos of children to avoid a fight with the parents. You avoid taking photos of children without prior consultation and agreement to help protect the interests - privacy and otherwise - of children.
If you have a very good reason to document something that needs documenting, then I support your legal right to do so. But if you are merely desiring to satisfy your artistic needs, than the children and/or their guardians should be consulted, because their interests are just as important as yours.
Before this gets too stupid, I would like to say this. Some of the posts seem to be from people who have not produced children. They may not understand that once a couple has kids, their entire existence revolves around nurturing and protecting those little charmers. As a parent and grandparent, I can understand that no parent gives a tinkers damn about artistic expression, the photographer’s rights, or anything else that just may threaten the family that is their responsibility. And generally no one can give a good reason for taking a picture of their kids. So what would you have wanted your parents to do if you were a kid today? There are just too many weirdo’s and perverts out there for me to have taken any chances.
What a brazen statement. You don’t speak for all parents. It’s very possible to a relaxed and be a parent.
Why should a parent be relaxed about a stranger taking photographs of his or her children? Of course, if you choose to be relaxed about a stranger taking photographs of your children, that is your prerogative.
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