Is this law pre 9/11 ?
This would seem to be a good point unless gas for instance is delivered by boat. I wonder what the answer to your question would be from those in authority?Just wonder how stuff like a fuel gets to the gas stations and how a few bottles of developer can damage or destroy bridge.
This would seem to be a good point unless gas for instance is delivered by boat. I wonder what the answer to your question would be from those in authority?
Anyone else from New York care to comment?
pentaxuser
Oh now I remember! It has nothing to do with the cargo planes etc., it has to do with the bridges, which actually makes sense, there are certain things you cannot ship and send it through the bridge and tunnel system because it's not allowed, and if they got caught doing it they would be shut down, it's a smart business move for them to follow the laws. Stuff is brought in on a boat and then installed into the store, but they can't ship it outside of New York unless they have a separate sorting facility where they could actually store stuff outside of the city and ship it from there as a way to avoid the bridge and tunnel rules. It sounds like BS unless you've actually been in New York City on a regular basis, they're very strict about what goes through those tunnels these days because of all of the "bad people" and it's not a crock, they pull trucks over all the time for inspection etc. Anyway thought I would comment to say it wasn't all BS, moving on...
As I recall (because I asked someone at Freestyle or B&H back when I couldn't get B&H to send stop bath), it's because there are more regulations and a special training class you have to do if you're going to ship certain chemicals. Stop bath (as a liquid) is one, I'm sure anything that shows up marked ORM-D is on that list. B&H didn't want to send every single person in their shipping department to the class, so stopped shipping those items. Freestyle (being smaller and concentrating more on photography) did send people to the class. Hence, Freestyle will ship things that B&H won't.
It has nothing to do with bridges (there are more bridges in Pittsburgh than in Venice supposedly and plenty in the rest of the country) as I recall. And if something wasn't packaged as per the regs and spilled, it was be easier to stop and clean up in a truck (ie ground delivery) than in a plane.
And now back to the original question. If I were still at the lab, I'd offer to run samples of the old and new through the GC-MS or something. I'm not there and can't do that, but does anyone else here have lab access?
It has nothing to do with bridges (there are more bridges in Pittsburgh than in Venice supposedly and plenty in the rest of the country) as I recall. And if something wasn't packaged as per the regs and spilled, it was be easier to stop and clean up in a truck (ie ground delivery) than in a plane.
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The explanation you have given seems logical to me but can this be correct when Stone has said that in fact all gas( we call it petrol in the U.K.) is delivered totally by boat in New York as it would have to be to comply with what he says is the regulations?
The U.S. certainly seems to be a strange and wonderful country.
pentaxuser
It has nothing to do with bridges (there are more bridges in Pittsburgh than in Venice supposedly and plenty in the rest of the country) as I recall. And if something wasn't packaged as per the regs and spilled, it was be easier to stop and clean up in a truck (ie ground delivery) than in a plane.
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The explanation you have given seems logical to me but can this be correct when Stone has said that in fact all gas( we call it petrol in the U.K.) is delivered totally by boat in New York as it would have to be to comply with what he says is the regulations?
The U.S. certainly seems to be a strange and wonderful country.
pentaxuser
Don't take anything I say for fact unless I say "fact" hah! This is only my understanding from living and working in NYC, but I haven't done research on it to confirm anything.
That said, NYC is a place like no other... It really can make or break you, it's certainly a place to itself.
It has nothing to do with bridges (there are more bridges in Pittsburgh than in Venice supposedly and plenty in the rest of the country) as I recall. And if something wasn't packaged as per the regs and spilled, it was be easier to stop and clean up in a truck (ie ground delivery) than in a plane.
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The explanation you have given seems logical to me but can this be correct when Stone has said that in fact all gas( we call it petrol in the U.K.) is delivered totally by boat in New York as it would have to be to comply with what he says is the regulations?
The U.S. certainly seems to be a strange and wonderful country.
pentaxuser
What does NYC have to do with the US?
Seriously, while it is of course technically part of the US it might as well be a different country from, say, metro Atlanta where I live, much less rural Tennessee where I grew up. The thing about the US that isn't always so apparent to those on the other side of the pond unless you've been here is its relative vastness. With the size, the different immigrant groups that settled different areas, the different times at which various areas were settled and later urbanized or not and the different layers of state and local government there are HUGE differences cultural and otherwise from place to place. I realize that's true to varying extents in other places to but believe me, the places I've lived are quite different from each other but none of them is anything like NYC which I've been to only briefly but my wife lived in for a while.
Back to the topic - the developer could work exactly the same and still be somewhat different in composition. Different inert-for-development-purposes bases could give different viscosity and color, for example.
Back to the topic - the developer could work exactly the same and still be somewhat different in composition. Different inert-for-development-purposes bases could give different viscosity and color, for example.
The U.S. certainly seems to be a strange and wonderful country.
pentaxuser
Definitely, and we are getting stranger every day. And Scared. Americans are so scared anymore.
I remember when we weren't scared of anything.
Now we're scared of a bottle of film developer.
Ain't that the truth! Sad... scared... poor... are we even a first world country anymore?
Glycol is suppose to be very, very stable and chemically inert. No change here. However HC110 contain sulfur dioxide, so over the time moisture absorbed by glycol may cause this gas to become corrosive. In other words, as we protect the other developers from the atmospheric oxygen, we should protect HC110 from contamination by any form of water.I expect that was a function of the glycol, and that the change over time in that glycol had no measurable effect on HC-110's functionality.
Wolfgang, can you buy US version of HC110 in Europe ? It is now the same concentration here and there ?
Glycol is suppose to be very, very stable and chemically inert. No change here. However HC110 contain sulfur dioxide, so over the time moisture absorbed by glycol may cause this gas to become corrosive. In other words, as we protect the other developers from the atmospheric oxygen, we should protect HC110 from contamination by any form of water.(Before the actual use.)
Scared? I think you may want to speak for yourself.
I bit more cautious and far more understanding of our effect on our world and each other as our wonderful (and strange) country begins to fill. I can understand that in some cases the rules may have gone a bit overboard, but I lived here in the 70s just like most of you. If we had continued down that road and allowed every person and corporation to do what they felt was in their best interest we would be in a far more serious situation than we are.
I remember what the Great Lakes and some our huge rivers looked like. I also lived in Los Angeles when there were days when you could not see the mountains even when you lived in the foothills, and breathing for people with asthma was a huge challenge. I think I prefer this and I am not interested in going back to the days of acid rain.
Back to the developer - it seems the majority of folks are getting results just like the previous HC-110 but a few aren't. That's...weird, and I don't know how to reconcile it.
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