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The only chemical that is absolutely required for processing POP paper is plain non-hardening fixer. Kodak RapidFix (without the hardener - part b) is a suitable product. Remember: only use part A of the product; the hardener will ruin a POP print by severely over-bleaching it. Dilute the stock solution with water to create a 1:7 working solution. Two fixing baths are recommended, using the typical rotation method to avoid exhaustion of the fixer.

If a print tone other than ugly orange is desired, a toner should be used. Here are several popular toning formulae:

Two-part gold thiocyanate
Stock Solution
Part A Part B
Distilled water 490ml Distilled water 500ml
Gold chloride 1% solution 10ml Sodium thiocyanate 10g

These stock solutions have an indefinite shelf life.

Working Solution
Distilled water 900ml
Part A 50ml
Part B 50ml

Upon mixing parts A and B the solution will turn a bright red color, which will quickly dissipate to yield a clear liquid. This is the working strength solution to be used for this session only, as gold thiocyanate is quickly rendered useless by oxidation. After toning each 8x10 print, add 8ml of each stock solution to maintain consistency. Tone print before fixing.

Gold borax
Stock/Working Solution
Distilled water 350ml
Gold chloride 1% solution 6ml
Borax 3g
Distilled water to make 400ml

This toner keeps well, may be reused and can be replenished. Experiment with different strengths of toner to expand or contract toning times. Tone print before fixing.

Selenium (Kodak RST)
Stock/Working Solution
Distilled water 500ml
Kodak Rapid Selenium Toner 1-2ml

Experimentation will be required to hone selenium toning, which can be finnicky. One is better off toning too slowly than too fast, so a low concentration is the prescription for best control. Fast toning in selenium can produce interesting split-toning effects. Tone print after fixing.

Pour toner and fixer into trays one size larger than the paper being used (11x14 tray for 8x10 prints). Ribbed trays may be used; however, the prints must be constantly agitated to avoid having bright lines form where the paper contacts the tray. Flat trays do not have this problem and are better for fully submerging the print, since, to avoid waste, small amounts of toner are used.

Processing POP

Rinsing - Once the print has been exposed to an acceptable level, remove it from the print frame and rinse it in running water. The water will be murky at first as unreacted silver salt is rinsed away. As it is rinsed the print will turn from a bluish-purple color to an orange-brown color as the reaction is stopped. This will probably take about 30 seconds but should be continued until the water is clear, as excess silver will quickly exhaust the toning solution. If a small print is being made on larger paper (and the dark edge will ultimately be trimmed away), trim any excessive dark border from the print. There is no point to using (and wasting) precious gold toner on paper, which is going to be discarded anyway.

Toning - After rinsing, slip the print into the toning solution, and watch for a color change while agitating. Usually toning times run anywhere from three to twelve minutes, with the longer times producing the coldest tones. The thing to keep in mind here is that the color of the print while it is in the toner has little to do with the ultimate color of the print. Watch for the amount of color CHANGE to determine when to stop toning. (Yes... more trial and error.) After a few attempts instinct will guide the process.

Fixing - Prints should be fixed in two baths of non-hardening fixer for approximately 5 minutes each. As they are being fixed, the prints will experience yet another color shift, which will closely resemble the look of the final print. Bear in mind that a considerable dry-down effect will impact the final look of the print. If a print looks great while sitting in the fixer, it is guaranteed to be too dark once dried.

Washing - Before washing, soak in a hypo clear (use Kodak HCA or one tablespoon EDTA plus one tablespoon sodium sulfite to a gallon of water) bath for two to three minutes. Wash prints for 60 to 90 minutes (only about 30 minutes is required if using hypo clear) in running water, preferably in an archival print washer. One of the undeniably great virtues of POP is that a properly washed print will outlive the artist who produced it (as well as his children and his grandchildren). Silver chloride prints exist today which were produced over 150 years ago and have withstood the rigors of time with amazing permanence. Hang prints to dry, and straighten in a dry mounting press.

Alternative toning methods - If selenium or gold toning AFTER fixing is desired, rinse and fix the print as described above, then fully wash. Once the print has been washed thoroughly, tone in either gold or selenium. Then wash again for another 30 minutes. This method of toning is not necessary for gold, but is absolutely required if toning in selenium. Keep in mind that prints produced using this method will be vastly different from those created using the standard method of toning. (The difference is in the point at which bleaching occurs.)

Consider toning with tea or coffee as well. Steep five or six tea bags (no need to use any elaborate blend; the standard orange pekoe will do fine) in a quart of water. Let cool, and tone away. Surprisingly teas and coffee are archivally permanent but may require extended washing.
 
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May I dare, in all humblyness, to affirm that the comments and directions in various posts above make me think that 90% of the people on this thread never actually used this material?
 

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mark said:
No clue Charles, but the machine sounds really cool. Is the light source a UV source?


This sounds like the machine we used to have for copying engineering drawings. You place the original on top of a sheet of copy paper, run it through the rollers and the UV light exposed the image which was then developed by a foul smelling liquid to give a full size reproduction.

Exposure is controlled by the speed of the rollers and the resultant image was either dark grey lines/text on a light grey paper or a purple/grey image on slightly yellow paper. I think the materials may have been Agfa but I could be wrong.


Steve.
 

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Marco Gilardetti said:
May I dare, in all humblyness, to affirm that the comments and directions in various posts above make me think that 90% of the people on this thread never actually used this material?


What makes you say this?
 
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cjarvis said:
If a print tone other than ugly orange is desired, a toner should be used.

Selenium (Kodak RST)
Stock/Working Solution
Distilled water 500ml
Kodak Rapid Selenium Toner 1-2ml

Experimentation will be required to hone selenium toning, which can be finnicky. One is better off toning too slowly than too fast, so a low concentration is the prescription for best control. Fast toning in selenium can produce interesting split-toning effects. Tone print after fixing.

This is very good advice. I have had more success with the KRST than with the Borax/Gold Toner. With this dilution the color transitions from orange to a nice brown tone in 10-12 minutes. I use 10 ml Kodak Rapid Selenium Toner/qt and get a rich brown tone in 4 minutes. Any longer than 5 minutes the color starts going Lavender which I don't like.

Although I am only on my second box, I really love this stuff! There are certain subjects that cry-out for POP.

Alan
 

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I have never gotten the purple, but I use a higher amount of KRST. Maybe I will try this smaller amount and see what happens. I use about 30 ML to 1000 ML and get a really nice milk chocolate tone in 3 minutes with constant agitation. For poops and giggles the other day I upped the amount of selenium to 50ml and the print toned fast but then the print bleached. I won't be doing that again. Made some ugly prints.
 

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Steve Smith said:
This sounds like the machine we used to have for copying engineering drawings. You place the original on top of a sheet of copy paper, run it through the rollers and the UV light exposed the image which was then developed by a foul smelling liquid to give a full size reproduction.

My old BluRay machine works much as the one you describe, but the image is continous tone. No chemicals were involved, it was a strictly a dry process . The paper used was Kodak Printing Out Paper for making Sun Proofs. It was normally exposed in frames by the sun. I know of no one who tried to make the prints perminant by fixing.

The Idea was if someone attempted to copy your studio proofs the lights of the copy camera would would expose them to a dark reddish purple. Kodaks other "proof" paper was a single wt. R surface that was printed and fixed just like any regular print. This sw 'Proof" paper was nearly identical to Kodak's Mural paper in the R surface. As long as you kept the glass platen clean, the machine made beautiful proofs that eventually would fade to dark.

In my mind I cannot see why this New POP paper would not work exactly the same for contact prints. The old BluRay machines were used some how in the exposure of and making of "blue prints" but I know nothing more about it. I asked a similar question awhile back in a thread on making Cyanotype prints.
No one seemed to know what I was talking about.

I do plan to test this old machine on the POP paper available today. It worked just fine some 30 years ago, but who knows today without trying it again?

Charlie...........................
 

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Contrast?

Is there some way to control contrast when using POP? Does it correspond to any particular grade of silver gelatin paper? My negatives pretty consistently want to be printed at Grade 3 (Agfa or Ilford papers) using a cold head light. Will they play well with POP?

Also, are there any examples of POP prints toned in selenium posted on the web? If not, can one of you who is using selenium now scan and post a couple of images here on APUG?

Sanders McNew
 

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Look at my gallery. All of the pop is toned in KRST. Pretty good scans.

As far as I can tell contrast is controlled by the negative. Make sure you have one with a large density range. I mean like Pt/Pd density range. I don't have a densitometer, wouldn't know how to use it if I did but I am able to get pretty consistant results. POP is finicky. I have my methods figured out pretty well using KRST, and it is pretty simple.

Your negs that want to be printed on G3 will not do. POP has a really long tonal range so requires a matching neg. I am afraid you will be disappointed using the negs you have. Now if you had a neg that looked too contrasty on G1 then that would be getting close.
 

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If you don't want to mess with your original negs, you could make contrastier copy negs.
 
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Sanders McNew said:
Is there some way to control contrast when using POP? Does it correspond to any particular grade of silver gelatin paper? My negatives pretty consistently want to be printed at Grade 3 (Agfa or Ilford papers) using a cold head light. Will they play well with POP?
Sanders McNew

I got started with POP when I overdeveloped some negatives intended for contact printing on Azo. Even when using Azo #2 developed in Amidol/water bath they were way too contrasty! But they printed wonderfully on POP.

Alan
 

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Possibly the greatest advantage of the printing out process is the chance to employ a split-back contact frame to examine your print - the exposure can be checked while the neg stays regisered.
 

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A few years ago,I did a BTZS test of paper and found grade 2 silver = 1.05, grade 2 azo= 1.65 and POP = 2.0. I backed the test up by trying various negs and yes, the pop requires a more contrasty negative than silver or azo.

I have found that my platinum negs print pretty well on the POP, but I shoot for around 1.8 on those. The ones that print best on POP are when I miscalculate on a platinum neg and overdevelop it.

As to toner, it is purely a matter of personal opinion. I have used both gold and KRS. Which is better depends on what you prefer. But, KRS is much cheaper. Personally, I like the look of gold toned prints for most of my work, but I do use the KRS when I want a more brown tone.
 

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Is there some way to control contrast when using POP? Does it correspond to any particular grade of silver gelatin paper? My negatives pretty consistently want to be printed at Grade 3 (Agfa or Ilford papers) using a cold head light. Will they play well with POP?

Also, are there any examples of POP prints toned in selenium posted on the web? If not, can one of you who is using selenium now scan and post a couple of images here on APUG?

Sanders McNew
POP is about a 0 or 00 grade. A neg that prints well on grade 3 paper would be extremely flat on POP.

The info on Chicago Albumen Works website (http://www.albumenworks.com/directions.html#Exposure) says that you can achieve a grade or more of increased contrast by using a very long exposure under fluorescent light. I have never tried that.
 
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