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Yet Holga is one that kept the production ticking when film was getting to cliff's edge some years back. They need some credit, although not saying without Holga we would be in much bigger trouble today.
Yet Holga is one that kept the production ticking when film was getting to cliff's edge some years back. They need some credit, although not saying without Holga we would be in much bigger trouble today.Please the thread is about real cameras. Keep it real.
We can buy all we can, yet if the young don't really take over, the game is going to be over.Film is a niche product/hobby, and not so expensive. Almost all other luxury hobbies are more expensive (from other art, drinking, partying, to playing games).
Starbucks venti frappuccino costs >5€, carrot cake is ~4€, with some extra syrup and cream - you are close to 15€, which are 3 Adox CHS 100 films. Film is cheap.
Supporting Adox:
- I buy other (non Adox) films, as well as chemicals and papers from Fotoimpex.
- I buy a lot of papers - we need not only to buy films, we need to by papers (especially when shooting B&W).
On social media only those who choose to look will find it, had they had it shown "against their will" like in schools with sponsored programs, then they would indeed see it. It is a hard task to convince a youngster these days to listen in about some crappy process of shooting on film when instant gratification process is the norm.
We need to get the young into galleries so they can SEE what a photograph looks like, one made on film. None of this is remotely possible through social media.
We can buy all we can, yet if the young don't really take over, the game is going to be over.
You must be joking.
You seem to think of yourself as one who does know what the industry is doing.
To prawda.
What I see as a positive thing is that the number of the people on the planet is increasing, and also the number of people who can buy films is increasing (good example is China). Excellent book about this is Factfulness form Hans Rosling.
My guess is that there will be enough critical mass in future for small production companies like Adox, or Ilford. Big guys like Fuji and Kodak can go away. That is for B&W, color film future is (IMO) not so bright.
That is good to know and I will try to remember when a question pops to mind that would cater to your specialty, but not that I agree with your earlier statement regarding social media and web sites that are mostly found by those who look them up, and that is missing a very large potential market that is close to unaware of what film shooting experience can bring in (some of which cater to personal development more than just building a photographic skill). In other words, in my opinion whatever is being done is not even close to what could be done to promote shooting on film.No, I am not.
No, I don't think of myself knowing what the industry is doing. I really know what is going on in this industry because I am daily confronted with it, I simply have to know what is happening. I am part of this industry. I am working in it.
I own two independent little research companies, one is focussing on the technological side, the other more on the economical side.
More than a decade ago, when the mainstream opinion was that film will be dead, I did a lot of research and analysis, and with my calculations I came to the conclusion that we will have a film revival. I even predicted the time frame for that. And I have been right, my analysis was spot on. That is e.g. one of the reasons why I am succesfully working in this industry, why the film and equipment manufacturers talk to me, and why they open the doors of their factories for me. I've seen more than a dozen factories from the inside, including five film manufacturers. The last factory visit has just been some weeks ago.
Best regards,
Henning
If color indeed is growing, why are there no new color labs popping up? It can't be a serious increase in demand that would cover color processing in the kitchens, so where are the labs covering it? What am I missing on this one?I agree with your first sentence.
Fortunately I can say that the content of your last paragraph concerning Fujifilm, Kodak and color film is wrong. This idea that "BW will stay, and color film will go away in the long term" is an apug/photrio myth. It has nothing to do with reality. Because
- the color film market is much bigger than the BW film market
- the demand for color film is increasing
- new color products are in the works.
Best regards,
Henning
Fortunately I can say that the content of your last paragraph concerning Fujifilm, Kodak and color film is wrong. This idea that "BW will stay, and color film will go away in the long term" is an apug/photrio myth. It has nothing to do with reality. Because
- the color film market is much bigger than the BW film market
- the demand for color film is increasing
- new color products are in the works.
If color indeed is growing, why are there no new color labs popping up?
If color indeed is growing, why are there no new color labs popping up? It can't be a serious increase in demand that would cover color processing in the kitchens, so where are the labs covering it? What am I missing on this one?
I agree with your first sentence.
Fortunately I can say that the content of your last paragraph concerning Fujifilm, Kodak and color film is wrong. This idea that "BW will stay, and color film will go away in the long term" is an apug/photrio myth. It has nothing to do with reality. Because
- the color film market is much bigger than the BW film market
- the demand for color film is increasing
- new color products are in the works.
Best regards,
Henning
Citation needed.
Because
- the color film market is much bigger than the BW film market
- the demand for color film is increasing
- new color products are in the works.
I am generating an opinion that Scanners won't be needed anymore. I've kept an eye on people using Digital cameras with macro lenses in repro stands, and the results are excellent. Software like Negative Lab Pro (which is basically just about color inversion from negatives) bring results to what the Fuji and Noritsu scanners do.Scanners need to get into production anew, not just renewed, refurbished etc. as is the case now. If film users raised to much higher levels (judged by film market expansion alone) there would be market to invest into on the scanning side as well. It is disheartening to see essentially zero development in scanners, and technology has advanced so much, unreal scanning qualities to large audiences would be possible at reasonable costs. A Nikon 9000 calling 3+ grand today is just ridiculous.
Agree on the wet darkroom, which would also be better supported if film floods the market again. Just the times are such that one can hardly get away from digital side of things, if for nothing else, the convenience of submissions and presentations.
I received last week an order of 120 Ilford film from Fotoimpex (for some spurious reason, the Deltas were below 5€ in bulk, and now prices have been readjusted a notch above FP/HP).Film is a niche product/hobby, and not so expensive. Almost all other luxury hobbies are more expensive (from other art, drinking, partying, to playing games).
Starbucks venti frappuccino costs >5€, carrot cake is ~4€, with some extra syrup and cream - you are close to 15€, which are 3 Adox CHS 100 films. Film is cheap.
Supporting Adox:
- I buy other (non Adox) films, as well as chemicals and papers from Fotoimpex.
- I buy a lot of papers - we need not only to buy films, we need to by papers (especially when shooting B&W).
Citation needed.
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