Positive Fujifilm News: Acros II available soon in Europe

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It would seem that Fuji were dissatisfied with the demand that the then existing Acros users were generating hence it discontinuation but somehow it was persuaded on some kind of presumably reliable evidence that a new and higher demand would be there for the Acros II. Clearly if Acros demand wasn't good enough then Acros II demand has to be considerably greater to make the investment worthwhile.

Quite apart from whether Acros II is worth the price being asked there remains this question of what was the evidence that new Acros II would generate an appreciably larger demand at a bigger price. The news of Acros II and heralded with the proverbial fanfare of trumpets was that it was just as good as the original Acro but not better i.e it was the same stuff . What usually justifies a price is a better product such as is the case with Ilford MG V as opposed to IV

I really cannot make any sense of this.
Pentaxuser, for Gawd sake, let it go. Stop spending bandwidth on speculating. Whether you make sense of the pricing or reintroduction of Acros does not matter. Fuji does not care if their record fills you with confidence. The market will ultimately decide if the new product is successful. Go take some photographs with some Acros.
 

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Pentaxuser, for Gawd sake, let it go. Stop spending bandwidth on speculating. Whether you make sense of the pricing or reintroduction of Acros does not matter. Fuji does not care if their record fills you with confidence. The market will ultimately decide if the new product is successful. Go take some photographs with some Acros.
Kodachromeguy, if you don't like my speculative questions on Fuji's actions that cause me to wonder what lay behind the whole matter of dropping Acros then restarting Acros and the resulting price increase then I respectfully suggest you stop reading them.

I am not sure what the adverse consequences of spending bandwidth on speculating actually are but if such spending on bandwidth is a problem then I feel that Sean has created a real monster with the Soapbox :D

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What's wrong with a bit of speculation?!

Maybe Fuji's deal with Harman is such that the price needs to be high - Harman and Fuji both making same money as it would be its own film in the case of Harman (so any potential cannibalisation is offset by money from Fuji) and same as before when it was made in house in the case of Fuji. But at the same time it doesn't require minimum sales to be as high as before with original Acros 100.

Those who really NEED Acros 100 for its reciprocity properties can now get fresh film and the others have a lot of other films to choose from that are at least as good for general photography for a lot less money. I probably won't buy more than 2 rolls of Acros 100 in the next 10 years, but I'd love to see it being available for at least 10 more years. Fuji is certainly not crazy enough to think that film that didn't sell a year ago will now suddenly be selling much better at twice the price. No matter what the cheerleaders tell you...
 

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Please remember that production at Harman is shut down right now, so that might be bottlenecking anything Fuji plans on doing with Acros. It can't sell unpackaged, and there's no incentive to offer lower volume pricing during a potential shortage. But the uniqueness of this film is not only its excellent long exposure characteristics, but its orthopan spectral sensitivity, which is very nice for certain subject matter. It is also, as claimed, the finest-grain, best edge-acutance film in the medium speed category. For me, it fills the 120 niche wonderfully; but TMax 100 has its own unique strong points in that same category. But as far as the previous sales history of Acros goes, it was in such high demand last year that the local camera dealer put a limit on 5 rolls of 120 per customer per visit, entire bricks of it were getting imported by a number of individuals, entire runs being cut for certain key dealers. And I know a local fellow who bought 120 boxes of 4x5 just for his personal use once its discontinuance was announced. That's not what a sleeper product does!
 
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Can anyone please point me to the official data sheet for Acros II? It is mentioned early in this thread, but I have been unable to locate it. Thanks!
 

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I just noticed a local retailer advertising Acros II in both 135 and 120 for $9.99. Still relatively expensive but that's the best advertised price I've seen to date.
 
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...a small difference concerning the characteristic curve in the highlights (with some developers). I will not go into detail here. In the next days I will post a complete test report in the BW film subforum. Stay tuned...
Henning, I've been watching that subforum over the last three months but your complete report has not yet appeared. Can you estimate when it might be posted? I'm very interested to learn what you found about ACROS II's characteristic curve in the high value region and how it might vary depending on developer. Thank you very much in advance.
 

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I wonder what has happened to Henning? There was a period when he appeared on almost a daily basis but I have seen no sign of him for maybe 2 months.
I suppose in a lockdown his main raison d'etre for posting, namely the "state of film ," hasn't changed enough for there to be any news.

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As of today, April 17, for USA buyers, B&H shows 135 size Acros II at $11.99/roll. During the latter part of 2019, the original Acros in 3-packs cost about $30-35 from Japanese and even some American sellers via eBay. So this new version is approximately the same price per roll. In my opinion, the price is not unreasonable. The Acros is really an amazing emulsion. It rewards careful use (tripod) with the best quality glass. We are lucky that Fuji brought it back to the market.

I agree.
What some commenters here have forgotten in their price comparisons is that
- Acros I has already been more expensive than TMX and Delta 100 before it was discontinued
- after the discontinuation in 2018, then in 2019 there was the general Fujifilm price increase of about 30%
- Kodak had recently a similar price increase
- Ilford of course will also have its payment for their help in finishing Acros II; and I am convinced Ilford won't do it for cheap.

So if we sum up all that the current price of Acros II is at least comprehensible (traceable). In Europe the price is currently in the 11,95 to 12.95€ range.
Whether the demand will be sufficient enough at that price.......only future will tell.
I prefer the current situation with available Acros II to the former situation in which Acros was discontinued. Acros has some unique characteristics which makes it really unique, and which I like. But as I don't need these strenghts permanently, I use about 5-10 Acros p.a. Therefore price isn't a problem for me personally.
 

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My invoices show that I was paying $6/roll of Acros I just before it was discontinued. I will not pay a 100% price increase to shoot Acros II.
Those are my sentiments as well. No surprise there if you have read any of my posts :D but clearly we have members here who do not share those sentiments. However in terms of numbers those members are few in number on a statistical basis as will always be the case in the grand scheme of "things consumer" so that means nothing. The key question is how many of new Acros II potential buyers share our sentiments? Time will tell

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At $12 a roll I will not buy any - full stop.
 

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The price increase is simply not reasonable. Any product of just about any kind that increases in price by nearly 100% is something I will drop instantly.
It was advertised at £1.75 for a 120 roll in December 2007 and was then cheaper than Ilford and Kodak by quite a bit. The rate of inflation since then in the U.K. means that it should now be about £2.50 :D So £5.00 is twice the rate of inflation which reflects roughly where Ilford films are now. Some and maybe even me might be prepared to pay £6 for the occasional Acros roll but even if I could get it at the cheapest someone here on Photrio has found it in the U.S. this is still more than the equivalent of £8 in the U.K.

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So I guess you guys all approved of Japanese companies dumping product, eh? :smile:

After an off-topic exchange with Chip in the Soap Box recently, I was inspired and ordered three 35mm rolls of ACROS II from B&H. It's due to be delivered Monday. That should be enough to wring it out and see what it can do. If results are excellent, I just might purchase one of those F6 bodies B&H gets in around every six months. There are already three Sigma F-mount lenses (35mm, 50mm and 105mm) in a case with my D810 that are compatible with the F6. This could get me back into 35mm film.

Complaints that ACROS "looks like digital" are upside down from my perspective. I always strove to make images that have a clean look, and the D810 does it. However, even optimum inkjet output cannot approach the probable life expectancy of fiber-based silver gelatin prints. Experimenting from home continues. :D
 

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So I guess you guys all approved of Japanese companies dumping product, eh? :smile:

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Sal, this does kind of suggest that whatever the price of Acros was before its discontinuation it was being "dumped" in the economic sense. I recall that in the U.K. it was pretty much competitive with other makes such as Ilford and Kodak and while it would appear that in December 2007 based on two retailers who advertised in B&W magazine in the U.K. it was marginally cheaper there were no signs of dumping I could see.

Your quote also suggests that its current price is at or close to what it needs to be for Fuji to make what economists term "normal profit". I have my doubts that its current price is "rock bottom/ minimum needed" but if it is then I am sorry for Fuji who has no choice but to charge what it does or to cover Matt's recurring point, is only charging its rock bottom as are the retailers who like Fuji are subject to forces beyond their control in terms of distribution agents, lack of economies of scale etc. In other words no-one is responsible for the price of Acros II. It is what it is and that is the end of the matter.

Unfortunately if that is the case and no-one is to blame then it still doesn't qualify in my book as value for money.

I can only hope that for Fuji, the distribution agents, lack of economies of scale, inability to form buying partnerships with other large buyers etc those here who are prepared to pay the price or even pay more than is being asked represent a big enough market for Fuji to continue to make it

I have absolutely no doubt that you will find the film every bit as good as the original Acros and it will do absolutely everything it says "on the tin"

I hope you enjoy it and will conclude that there is indeed something about Acros II that makes it worth the money. In your scenario it might even tempt you back to 35mm photography and the purchase of a F6. This is all good news. Just a pity for Nikon and 35mm that the original Acros hadn't tempted you back as it was the same film, just without the premium:D

Best not to ask the price when you go into the shop to buy it in case the sales assistant adopts the snooty Rolls Royce sales assistant's response and says:" If you have to ask the price,sir, are you sure you can afford it :D

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Acros II in Perceptol 1+1.jpg
...After an off-topic exchange with Chip in the Soap Box recently, I was inspired and ordered three 35mm rolls of ACROS II from B&H. It's due to be delivered Monday. That should be enough to wring it out and see what it can do...
Exactly one month later, we finally had a day completely clear of clouds to expose the film. I processed it and am extraordinarily pleased. Developed in Perceptol 1+1 for 8 minutes 30 seconds at 74 degrees F, plunging the loaded reel directly into developer, agitating continuously for the first minute, then five seconds at the start of each subsequent minute, results were fb-f of 0.25, EI of 100 and Contrast Index of 0.52. Grain is nearly invisible and, while I didn't photograph an Edmunds chart (nor are the half-century-old Olympus camera and lens capable of ultra-high resolution), examining the few frames of outdoor scenes I did expose reveals very good sharpness and acutance. A characteristic curve is included here, with horizontal axis numbers representing zones I through X. I didn't go past zone X, but measured the fully exposed leader end. DMax was 2.80.

Now the remaining two rolls can be used for real pictures whenever an F6 is received and my Sigma Art 35mm and 50mm lenses are mounted on it. :smile:
 
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Sal,

Do you have any thoughts yet on the Acros II film as compared to TMX or Delta 100?

Tom
I've not performed apples-to-apples comparisons in 35mm. However, based on recent experience with 120 versions of those Kodak and Ilford films, I'd say ACROS II is finer-grained, exhibits higher acutance/sharpness and, obviously, blows them away in avoiding reciprocity failure. I also like the ACROS II better in terms of curve shape.

Something I've noticed about Kodak's 120 TMX and TMY-2 is that, since it outsourced acetate film base, their flatness is no longer as good, with "ripples" and other anomalies appearing at random. This doesn't refer to "curling" or "cupping," but rather localized variations from planarity. And those are still 4.7 mil bases, not much thinner than 5-mil 35mm ACROS II. The ACROS II dried absolutely dead flat and smooth. With a glassless carrier inserted in my enlarger using an LED light source, I expect it will be impossible to differentiate prints from those made using a glass carrier. Except, of course, by the lack of Newton's rings ACROS II's high-gloss emulsion side would have otherwise caused. :smile:
 
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Henning, I've been watching that subforum over the last three months but your complete report has not yet appeared. Can you estimate when it might be posted? I'm very interested to learn what you found about ACROS II's characteristic curve in the high value region and how it might vary depending on developer. Thank you very much in advance.

Dear Sal,
sorry for not replying so far to your questions concerning my Acros II test results.
The reason for this:
I have been fighting some severe health issues for quite a long time, and have been only slowly recovering. Furthermore at the same time my life has also been severely impacted by further Covid-19 crisis factors. So several fights at the same time, and on different layers.
I have not forgotten you, and will give you all the desired information in the coming days. Please stay tuned.

All the best to you and kind regards,
Henning
 

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I have been fighting some severe health issues for quite a long time, and have been only slowly recovering. Furthermore at the same time my life has also been severely impacted by further Covid-19 crisis factors. So several fights at the same time, and on different layers.

I hope that you're doing better, and recover quickly!
 
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